The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[greenmount]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I still find it odd that there are so few people on here sharing my political opinions when there are so many in UK that have them.

Define so many? And have you met all of them or what are you basing your allegations on?
Clearly not true from where I stand, if you follow what's going on there, in the press, within parties etc.

I always liked when people bring in their anecdotes as a final argument and show that sort of outrage - how comes you do not think like me? How? How? I'm the holder of the supreme truth, I've talked to my neighbours and they confirmed I'm right. Here.

Also, I agree with those who questioned your intentions and your identity because it does matter in this case, internet is not a free pass to unchecked political agendas you know, and also because you tend to be rather aggressive when confronted. You expected an easy way here, surprise surprise......How internet is changing, no? Perhaps people are less naive than say 3 years ago? Ha!

Also, I would question any post(er) constantly thanked by a few people here, just so you know.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Define so many? And have you met all of them or what are you basing your allegations on? Clearly not true from where I stand, if you follow what's going on there, in the press, within parties etc. I always liked when people bring in their anecdotes as a final argument and show that sort of outrage - how comes you do not think like me? How? How? I'm the holder of the supreme truth, I've talked to my neighbours and they confirmed I'm right. Here. Also, I agree with those who questioned your intentions and your identity because it does matter in this case, internet is not a free pass to political agendas you know, especially because you tend to be rather aggressive when confronted. You expected an easy way here, surprise surprise......How internet is changing, no? Also, I would question any post constantly thanked by a few people here, just so you know.

Lets see if Tony is right, election is less than 3 weeks away. The forum view is not matched in current opinion polls or the BREXIT referendum.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Lets see if Tony is right, election is less than 3 weeks away. The forum view is not matched in current opinion polls or the BREXIT referendum.

Yes FMF, let's see that and analyse their reasons for voting one way or another, is not always that black and white as some may assume.

As I expect huge manipulations through the media, well, because its overlords happen to want a certain thing, I wouldn't be that surprised either way. Anyhow, the results of the elections don't refute the possibility that TC is a troll. And a very persistent one, at that.

Our postal votes have gone today - much to our surprise, and without consultation - we have both voted Labour. Which also happens to be the only tactical options in our Constituency.

It may well cost us, and many in our family, in financial terms- but sometimes you have to do what is right- even if it happens to affect you and yours in monetary ways.

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	Our postal votes have gone today - much to our surprise, and without consultation - we have both voted Labour. Which also happens to be the only tactical options in our Constituency. It may well cost us, and many in our family, in financial terms- but sometimes you have to do what is right- even if it happens to affect you and yours in monetary ways.

Don't worry: Labour are only interested in shafting certain groups. People who don't own empty properties or send their kids to private school have nothing to worry about.

Relax and enjoy watching those smug grins vanish!

[fatmanfilms]

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	Don't worry: Labour are only interested in shafting certain groups. People who don't own empty properties or send their kids to private school have nothing to worry about. Relax and enjoy watching those smug grins vanish!

Second home owners who live abroad will be easy prey & currency controls so people cant take their money abroad.

Before Mrs Thatcher ended currency controls in 1979 you could only take £600 per person when leaving the UK, 1 reason that Thomas Cooke & package holiday were so popular.

Of course the only £8 a week extra tax on 80k does not add up as it produces roughly £350 million, about 0.3% of the NHS budget.

If the smug grins do vanish along with their money, then the working man will have to pay far more as he did in the 1970's when base tax rate was 34% & personal allowance £720 (£2736 inflation adjusted rather than £12,500 today). Someone earning £15000 would pay £4169 under Labours old rules v £500 today. Oh & there was NI on top as well

The Conservatives have cut taxes for the poorest 43% of adults who pay currently ZERO.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Second home owners who live abroad will be easy prey & currency controls so people cant take their money abroad. Before Mrs Thatcher ended currency controls in 1979 you could only take £600 per person when leaving the UK, 1 reason that Thomas Cooke & package holiday were so popular. Of course the only £8 a week extra tax on 80k does not add up as it produces roughly £350 million, about 0.3% of the NHS budget.

I'll be weeping into my röschti.

Like I said: nothing Labour might introduce would cause any discomfort for ordinary people. Only the rich, privileged and entitled will have anything to worry about.

Bring it on!

[fatmanfilms]

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	I'll be weeping into my röschti. Like I said: nothing Labour might introduce would cause any discomfort for ordinary people. Only the rich, privileged and entitled will have anything to worry about. Bring it on!

No units required, just understanding the concept

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	No units required, just understanding the concept

Why are you so afraid of paying tax? Don't you believe in paying your fair share for proper public services?

I bet the upper classes would change their attitude to public services if they were obliged to use them alongside the rest of us plebs.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:
	Why are you so afraid of paying tax? Don't you believe in paying your fair share for proper public services?

That's what I actually love about Switzerland: a fair share and proper public services.
Probably also one of the few countries in the world that has referendums about its tax system.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Why are you so afraid of paying tax? Don't you believe in paying your fair share for proper public services? I bet the upper classes would change their attitude to public services if they were obliged to use them alongside the rest of us plebs.

I pay more tax living in Malta than I would if I lived in the UK, so not afraid of paying taxes. Governments are generally very inefficient spending other people’s money

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	That's what I actually love about Switzerland: a fair share and proper public services. Probably also one of the few countries in the world that has referendums about its tax system.

Switzerland is a huge tax haven & by choosing exactly where you live can cut your tax bill in half or more!

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Second home owners who live abroad will be easy prey & currency controls so people cant take their money abroad. Before Mrs Thatcher ended currency controls in 1979 you could only take £600 per person when leaving the UK, 1 reason that Thomas Cooke & package holiday were so popular. Of course the only £8 a week extra tax on 80k does not add up as it produces roughly £350 million, about 0.3% of the NHS budget. If the smug grins do vanish along with their money, then the working man will have to pay far more as he did in the 1970's when base tax rate was 34% & personal allowance £720 (£2736 inflation adjusted rather than £12,500 today). Someone earning £15000 would pay £4169 under Labours old rules v £500 today. Oh & there was NI on top as well The Conservatives have cut taxes for the poorest 43% of adults who pay currently ZERO.

Reminds me shortly before 1979 I had a business trip into Europe and I declared I was carrying less than £1 so they searched me; luckily without rubber gloves!
The gaping hole in the £600 per person limit was that one could pay abroad with credit cards without any questions later; at least in my experience.
The other benefit I had was the local affiliates of the multinational I worked for were happy to advance local currency in cash; later to be justified by handing in receipts. Also avoided irritating rules by the UK affiliate on limits on how much one could spend on meals, hotels, and entertainment.

Must admit I am still stumped about which party I would vote for, basically because I do not see a PM candidate I would be proud of!

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	Reminds me shortly before 1979 I had a business trip into Europe...

Yap the good old days... NOT. The first stage of the dance - the CBI and the BOE got together and argued over the limits for the next month... next step was that on the first working day of the next month, juniors like myself were dispatched to both the CBI and BOE offices with the same client request to authorise forex transactions... if you got one of the two approved a happy client, if you got both approved a happy client and a sad banker as you'd loose one the forms and the quota would go unused... both rejected, then a sad client....

Then Ireland stopped using sterling... sad accounting firms - no more easy fees from getting approvals.... very sad juniors - no more spending your days drinking coffee and shooting the breeze with your mates at the CBI or BOE while waiting to get your requests approved....

Even small accounting and legal firms in Ireland and the UK, used to try and recruit trainees with suggestions of international travel.... UK trainees discovered that international travel was Dublin and Irish trainees discover it was London!

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Define so many? And have you met all of them or what are you basing your allegations on? Clearly not true from where I stand, if you follow what's going on there, in the press, within parties etc. I always liked when people bring in their anecdotes as a final argument and show that sort of outrage - how comes you do not think like me? How? How? I'm the holder of the supreme truth, I've talked to my neighbours and they confirmed I'm right. Here. Also, I agree with those who questioned your intentions and your identity because it does matter in this case, internet is not a free pass to unchecked political agendas you know, and also because you tend to be rather aggressive when confronted. You expected an easy way here, surprise surprise......How internet is changing, no? Perhaps people are less naive than say 3 years ago? Ha! Also, I would question any post(er) constantly thanked by a few people here, just so you know.

You know there was some rather interesting research carried out by the think tank Policy Exchange in recent weeks. It was basically looking into censorship in UK Universities where the likes of Germaine Greer and Jordan Peterson have been no-platformed in the last few years (I’ll post a link below).

There was one question in the study relating to Brexit asking how comfortable students would be airing their views in the classroom. For pro-Brexit students only 39% said they’d feel comfortable. Contrast this to the 89% of pro-remain students who said that they wouldn’t have a problem expressing their views.

I believe you could probably take these figures and extrapolate them elsewhere (i.e. this forum). You say that I get aggressive when confronted, which is of course preposterous when one looks at how mild mannered I’ve been considering the accusations that have been levelled against me. On the other hand one feels a deep burning sense of righteous indignation from a majority on here that anyone dare challenge their views. Perhaps you’ve been a member too long to notice.


https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-con...-in-the-UK.pdf

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	You know there was some rather interesting research carried out by the think tank Policy Exchange in recent weeks. It was basically looking into censorship in UK Universities where the likes of Germaine Greer and Jordan Peterson have been no-platformed in the last few years (I’ll post a link below). There was one question in the study relating to Brexit asking how comfortable students would be airing their views in the classroom. For pro-Brexit students only 39% said they’d feel comfortable. Contrast this to the 89% of pro-remain students who said that they wouldn’t have a problem expressing their views. I believe you could probably take these figures and extrapolate them elsewhere (i.e. this forum). You say that I get aggressive when confronted, which is of course preposterous when one looks at how mild mannered I’ve been considering the accusations that have been levelled against me. On the other hand one feels a deep burning sense of righteous indignation from a majority on here that anyone dare challenge their views. Perhaps you’ve been a member too long to notice. https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-con...-in-the-UK.pdf

Why should we pay any attention to a wilfully anonymous troll on the internet who has been given ample opportunity to clear the air yet still continues to blithely feed us with bullshit.

You're not a Brit. What are you?

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	You know there was some rather interesting research carried out by the think tank Policy Exchange in recent weeks. It was basically looking into censorship in UK Universities where the likes of Germaine Greer and Jordan Peterson have been no-platformed in the last few years (I’ll post a link below). There was one question in the study relating to Brexit asking how comfortable students would be airing their views in the classroom. For pro-Brexit students only 39% said they’d feel comfortable. Contrast this to the 89% of pro-remain students who said that they wouldn’t have a problem expressing their views. I believe you could probably take these figures and extrapolate them elsewhere (i.e. this forum). You say that I get aggressive when confronted, which is of course preposterous when one looks at how mild mannered I’ve been considering the accusations that have been levelled against me. On the other hand one feels a deep burning sense of righteous indignation from a majority on here that anyone dare challenge their views. Perhaps you’ve been a member too long to notice. https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-con...-in-the-UK.pdf

Think tank Policy Exchange is a centre right group.
The same study found "has revealed that fewer than half of university students in the UK consistently support freedom of speech."

This Brexit aspect of the study only confirms that university-educated people find "Leave" to be a dumb idea; which we already knew?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	You know there was some rather interesting research carried out by the think tank Policy Exchange in recent weeks.

You know that Policy Exchange is a centre right think tank co-founded by Michael Gove and rated 'E' for funding transparency?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	You know that Policy Exchange is a centre right think tank co-founded by Michael Gove and rated 'E' for funding transparency?

Nice try, put our Tony knows for a fact that that is just fake news, they told him so and he has no reason to doubt them.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	marton
	Think tank Policy Exchange is a centre right group. The same study found "has revealed that fewer than half of university students in the UK consistently support freedom of speech." This Brexit aspect of the study only confirms that university-educated people find "Leave" to be a dumb idea; which we already knew?

That’s not what it has found at all, but your post does confirm your bias against Brexit voters.

Whilst I don’t agree fully with the argument to Remain, I would never call the idea “dumb”. This is probably the key dividing factor between Remainers and Brexiteers.