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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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You know that Policy Exchange is a centre right think tank co-founded by Michael Gove and rated 'E' for funding transparency?
How remiss of me to forget that everything is a conspiracy. We’ve already had a member talking of the media conspiracy to keep Jeremy Corbyn out of Number 10. Then there was the Jewish conspiracy to use anti-semitism as a political weapon to damage the Labour Party. In future I’ll be sure to only post links to pre-approved sources like Channel 4 news.
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That’s not what it has found at all, but your post does confirm your bias against Brexit voters.

Whilst I don’t agree fully with the argument to Remain, I would never call the idea “dumb”. This is probably the key dividing factor between Remainers and Brexiteers.
Since you aren't British, why should any of the Brits on this board care what you think about Remainers and Brexiteers?
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Old 24.11.2019, 11:25
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That’s not what it has found at all, but your post does confirm your bias against Brexit voters.

Whilst I don’t agree fully with the argument to Remain, I would never call the idea “dumb”. This is probably the key dividing factor between Remainers and Brexiteers.
So what benefits do you believe will come from Leave?
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So what benefits do you believe will come from Leave?
Anne Widecombe gives a fantastically thoughtful answer to a caller on the benefits of leaving the EU. If you were on the fence before, this is dynamite!

https://youtu.be/7dZjA92zCQ8

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Whilst I don’t agree fully with the argument to Remain, I would never call the idea “dumb”. This is probably the key dividing factor between Remainers and Brexiteers.
1. Remain isn't "an idea". It's 40yrs of experience.
2. It was Farage et al who repeatedly told Brexiters that Remainers think they're "dumb" in an effort to whip up outrage and consolidate tribalism.
3. If you believe what Farage et al said r.e. "dumb", that makes you gullible.
4. If you're not gullible yet still push that concept, then you're spreading propaganda.

Which is it?

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Never said it was a conspiracy. It's propaganda. Huge difference. Absolutely massive difference!
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Old 24.11.2019, 16:12
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The dishonest Jeramy Corbyn was taken to court in 1991 for failing to pay his fair share in taxes.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...4BZ0SIiI-AvmAo
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The dishonest Jeramy Corbyn was taken to court in 1991 for failing to pay his fair share in taxes.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...4BZ0SIiI-AvmAo
He refused to pay the Poll Tax, which was a deeply unfair and ineptly introduced regressive tax regime.

I was conservative leaning back then, and even I refused to pay it.

Try again.
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The dishonest Jeramy Corbyn was taken to court in 1991 for failing to pay his fair share in taxes.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...4BZ0SIiI-AvmAo
Did you pay your fair share of taxes when you lived in the UK?

Sounds to me like your primary motivation in life is to avoid taxes wherever possible. It may be legal, but it's unlikely to be fair.

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He refused to pay the Poll Tax, which was a deeply unfair and ineptly introduced regressive tax regime.
He sounds like a highly principled person. That would make a nice change in a prime minister.
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Did you pay your fair share of taxes when you lived in the UK?

Sounds to me like your primary motivation in life is to avoid taxes wherever possible. It may be legal, but it's unlikely to be fair.



He sounds like a highly principled person. That would make a nice change in a prime minister.
Clearly I paid taxes when I lived in the UK, I paid 34% base rate from age 16 & the highest rate from age 21. My tax bill halved when I moved to CH earning more money than in the UK

I also paid Rates & Poll tax as demanded.
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The dishonest Jeramy Corbyn was taken to court in 1991 for failing to pay his fair share in taxes.
From the article you posted...

"The left-wing veteran was in court alongside 16 other Islington residents, all opposing the levy on grounds other than inability to pay."

How does that make him dishonest?
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I also paid ... Poll tax as demanded.
That's ok. Not everybody has principles.
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So what benefits do you believe will come from Leave?
Come on, don't be shy.
Who knows you might be able to convince me.
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Come on, don't be shy.
Who knows you might be able to convince me.
If this thread has taught me anything over the past three years it‘s that Brexiteers tend to go VERY quiet when you ask them this question...
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If this thread has taught me anything over the past three years it‘s that Brexiteers tend to go VERY quiet when you ask them this question...
I still believe that a well-planned and non-ideologically-driven departure from the EU could have brought many benefits in the long run.

Unfortunately, what we are being offered is nothing of the sort. It's a bridge-burning, shoddy disaster which brings shame to England (no shame for the Scots here).

I find it hard to believe that any Brit with even a smidgeon of national pride could still support this ridiculous enterprise.
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Exactly. The entire thrust of the run up to and post Brexit period has been 100% about unattainable targets, invented scenarios and bullish proclamations with little or no grounds in truth or reality, nor have they been able to isolate much in the way of what the UK can decide for itself outside the EU which it can‘t already do right now within the EU.

Not even the captains of the campaign to leave have managed that yet.
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I still believe that a well-planned and non-ideologically-driven departure from the EU could have brought many benefits in the long run.

Unfortunately, what we are being offered is nothing of the sort. It's a bridge-burning, shoddy disaster which brings shame to England (no shame for the Scots here).

I find it hard to believe that any Brit with even a smidgeon of national pride could still support this ridiculous enterprise.
So that's one vote that would turn if another referendum were held, then?

Inch by inch... step by step...
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For anyone who hasn't seen it yet...

https://twitter.com/lumi_1984/status...87860096266240
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So what benefits do you believe will come from Leave?
Your question has little relevance to the point I was making and I imagine that after close to 25,000 opinions on the matter that this has been done to death. I could be mistaken and it could just be 25,000 postings of people complaining about a democratic vote. There only appears to be one Brexiteer member so perhaps this isn’t too far from the truth.

We’re 18 days away from a likely Conservative majority and 10 weeks away from the UK leaving the EU, so probably too late to be discussing the pros and cons of Brexit. In fact, it doesn’t really make sense to discuss this unless one is still in denial about the outcome of the vote in 2016.

For what it’s worth, I’ve already given my reasons for voting for Brexit. I believe the EU is the disease that purports to being the cure. I believe the EU to be fundamentally undemocratic, that it is incapable of reform, and hopelessly unprepared for the challenges it faces in the coming decades.

As for the advantages, I don’t think Brexit will be one stop answer that many Brexiteers hope it will be. I think the effect to the UK economy will be negligible; undoubtedly a Jeremy Corbyn led government carries far more risk than Brexit ever could. There are certainly some immediate benefits in that divorce bill aside, the UK will no longer have to contribute to the EU’s slush fund. Furthermore, the UK will avoid the reigns of the hopeless Ursula von der Leyen and the criminal Christine Lagarde.

The key advantages of Brexit however are long term which come with the return full sovereignty (and with it accountability) to the UK. No longer will Brussels be blamed for problems of the UK's own making. Looking further Brexit will also allow the UK to find her own place in the World and be better placed to adapt to the coming challenges ahead. The UK will be able to make the adjustments necessary only thinking of her own self interests rather than that of 27 other countries to become more competitive in a changing world. Most importantly the UK will no longer be tied to an expansionist EU intent on federalising.
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Your question has little relevance to the point I was making and I imagine that after close to 25,000 opinions on the matter that this has been done to death. I could be mistaken and it could just be 25,000 postings of people complaining about a democratic vote. There only appears to be one Brexiteer member so perhaps this isn’t too far from the truth.

We’re 18 days away from a likely Conservative majority and 10 weeks away from the UK leaving the EU, so probably too late to be discussing the pros and cons of Brexit. In fact, it doesn’t really make sense to discuss this unless one is still in denial about the outcome of the vote in 2016.

For what it’s worth, I’ve already given my reasons for voting for Brexit. I believe the EU is the disease that purports to being the cure. I believe the EU to be fundamentally undemocratic, that it is incapable of reform, and hopelessly unprepared for the challenges it faces in the coming decades.

As for the advantages, I don’t think Brexit will be one stop answer that many Brexiteers hope it will be. I think the effect to the UK economy will be negligible; undoubtedly a Jeremy Corbyn led government carries far more risk than Brexit ever could. There are certainly some immediate benefits in that divorce bill aside, the UK will no longer have to contribute to the EU’s slush fund. Furthermore, the UK will avoid the reigns of the hopeless Ursula von der Leyen and the criminal Christine Lagarde.

The key advantages of Brexit however are long term which come with the return full sovereignty (and with it accountability) to the UK. No longer will Brussels be blamed for problems of the UK's own making. Looking further Brexit will also allow the UK to find her own place in the World and be better placed to adapt to the coming challenges ahead. The UK will be able to make the adjustments necessary only thinking of her own self interests rather than that of 27 other countries to become more competitive in a changing world. Most importantly the UK will no longer be tied to an expansionist EU intent on federalising.
So no tangible benefits other than the satisfaction of "sticking it to the EU", then?
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Your question has little relevance to the point I was making and I imagine that after close to 25,000 opinions on the matter that this has been done to death. I could be mistaken and it could just be 25,000 postings of people complaining about a democratic vote. There only appears to be one Brexiteer member so perhaps this isn’t too far from the truth.

We’re 18 days away from a likely Conservative majority and 10 weeks away from the UK leaving the EU, so probably too late to be discussing the pros and cons of Brexit. In fact, it doesn’t really make sense to discuss this unless one is still in denial about the outcome of the vote in 2016.

For what it’s worth, I’ve already given my reasons for voting for Brexit. I believe the EU is the disease that purports to being the cure. I believe the EU to be fundamentally undemocratic, that it is incapable of reform, and hopelessly unprepared for the challenges it faces in the coming decades.

As for the advantages, I don’t think Brexit will be one stop answer that many Brexiteers hope it will be. I think the effect to the UK economy will be negligible; undoubtedly a Jeremy Corbyn led government carries far more risk than Brexit ever could. There are certainly some immediate benefits in that divorce bill aside, the UK will no longer have to contribute to the EU’s slush fund. Furthermore, the UK will avoid the reigns of the hopeless Ursula von der Leyen and the criminal Christine Lagarde.

The key advantages of Brexit however are long term which come with the return full sovereignty (and with it accountability) to the UK. No longer will Brussels be blamed for problems of the UK's own making. Looking further Brexit will also allow the UK to find her own place in the World and be better placed to adapt to the coming challenges ahead. The UK will be able to make the adjustments necessary only thinking of her own self interests rather than that of 27 other countries to become more competitive in a changing world. Most importantly the UK will no longer be tied to an expansionist EU intent on federalising.
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