The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

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	Eh? £3 billion won't even touch the sides of the Tories' manifesto? Have you even read it?

Are you sure you read the actual Tory manifesto, not some fraudulent site masquerading as the Tory...

Oh no, hang on. That's a stunt the Tories pulled.

As you were...

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I was about to ask you the same thing.

So then I guess you'll know that £3 billion won't work. Good.

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	So then I guess you'll know that £3 billion won't work. Good.

He was getting mixed up with roubles. Easy mistake to make.

[TonyClifton]

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	So then I guess you'll know that £3 billion won't work. Good.

Try the costings document that accompanies it.

I have to say, though, that much as I didn't like it at the time, the ostrich routine was much funnier than his current act.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Try the costings document that accompanies it.

What page?

Even Fullfact.org is calling bullshit on much of it.

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	What page? Even Fullfact.org is calling bullshit on much of it.

Are you sure Fullfact.org is the actual website and not some fraudulent...

Oh no, that's another Tory stunt.

Sorry. As you were...

[TonyClifton]

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	What page? Even Fullfact.org is calling bullshit on much of it.

Well fullfact.org hasn’t really. Have you read what they have to say on Labour’s manifesto? Once again we see however emotion dictating what you focus on. Perhaps there are a few costing mistakes in the Tory manifesto but this is peanuts compared to their total additional spend. You fixate on it because you hate the Tories so much and miss the bigger picture. What is the alternative with Labour’s spending plans?

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Well fullfact.org hasn’t really. Have you read what they have to say on Labour’s manifesto? Once again we see however emotion dictating what you focus on. Perhaps there are a few costing mistakes in the Tory manifesto but this is peanuts compared to their total additional spend. You fixate on it because you hate the Tories so much and miss the bigger picture. What is the alternative with Labour’s spending plans?

So how many new hospitals is BoJo actually building?

Why is BoJo, in your opinion, our Great Hope?

Save us, Obi Wan etc etc

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Perhaps there are a few costing mistakes in the Tory manifesto

Not good enough. We don't expect the Conservative party to be the party of "a few costing mistakes", just as we don't expect it to be the party of fraudulent websites and Twitter accounts.

We expect better, and we are being treated with contempt.

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	So how many new hospitals is BoJo actually building?

... and where is he going to find the staff to run them?

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	... and where is he going to find the staff to run them?

Staff that are already not paid enough and are resorting to food banks to survive.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Well fullfact.org hasn’t really. Have you read what they have to say on Labour’s manifesto? Once again we see however emotion dictating what you focus on. Perhaps there are a few costing mistakes in the Tory manifesto but this is peanuts compared to their total additional spend. You fixate on it because you hate the Tories so much and miss the bigger picture. What is the alternative with Labour’s spending plans?

You were rambling about the ‘costings page’ and I asked what page it’s on. I googled it cos you’re not exactly reliable with back up info and stumbled across the fullfact take on the manifestos.

Do you have this ‘costings page’?

EDIT: found it.

[Mikers]

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	Staff that are already not paid enough and are resorting to food banks to survive.

This is a disgrace. A number of labour policies in this election are really good:

1. Taxing big internet firms and going after large scale corporate tax avoidance by channeling money between countries. this is a popular idea with the public and is long overdue.

2. a landlords "MOT" for their rental properties. also great. means each year they have to show their property is up to standard or they can't rent. again brilliant, stop exploiting poor people.

But for everyone one of these there is a basket case policy:

1. 4 day working week. christ alive, dont even think about it.
2. State taking over private land and converting it into housebuilding space. Again, far to extreme. you can't have private developers having land seized by the state thats just crazy.
3. Nationalizing everything. This is less crazy just more a generally poor idea. what is the work ethic at councils in the UK ? its rubbish. nationalizing things isnt the answer.

I'd happily pay more tax in the UK, as long as it was being spent sensibly.

and im not voting libdem.

[TonyClifton]

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	So how many new hospitals is BoJo actually building? Why is BoJo, in your opinion, our Great Hope? Save us, Obi Wan etc etc

He’s your great hope because the alternative is Jeremy Corbyn.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	But for everyone one of these there is a basket case policy: 1. 4 day working week. christ alive, dont even think about it.

Why is that a "basket case policy"?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	He’s your great hope because the alternative is Jeremy Corbyn.

Who's your great hope? Which PPC?

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Why is that a "basket case policy"?

Try hitting the NHS targets Labour have set themselves when staff only have to work four days a week.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	He’s your great hope because the alternative is Jeremy Corbyn.

Is that all you've got? All that empty posturing?

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Try hitting the NHS targets Labour have set themselves when staff only have to work four days a week.

I think you'll find that a 4 day week would never be applied wholesale, just as many professions can't really access "flexible working".

You're really hitting your soundbite stride aren't you.