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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Is that all you've got? All that empty posturing?
Perhaps you should go back and read what Iíve written about Corbynís Labour Party earlier.
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Perhaps you should go back and read what Iíve written about Corbynís Labour Party earlier.
I have. It's clear you don't really understand what it is you're regurgitating.

Still nothing, eh? Speaks volumes.
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I have. It's clear you don't really understand what it is you're regurgitating.

Still nothing, eh? Speaks volumes.
Iím sorry I canít convince you that center right moderate politics is preferable to a Marxist, antisemite populist. I hope youíll be able to get over your disappointment on December 13th and perhaps then youíll understand how out of touch you are with the majority of voters.
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Iím sorry I canít convince you that center right moderate politics is preferable to a Marxist, antisemite populist. I hope youíll be able to get over your disappointment on December 13th and perhaps then youíll understand how out of touch you are with the majority of voters.
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Why is that a "basket case policy"?
It won't work as a policy. It has worked in specific cases (Microsoft Japan most recently) but you need to have an exceptional workforce, which micoroft has.

If you ask the UK workforce to work 4 days instead of 5, in the majority you will get a 20% lowering of productivity, which is bad for everyone. Plus from a pure practicality side it would be difficult: many things, such as teaching curricula, are based on 5 day weeks.
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I’m sorry I can’t convince you that center right moderate politics is preferable to a Marxist, antisemite populist. I hope you’ll be able to get over your disappointment on December 13th and perhaps then you’ll understand how out of touch you are with the majority of voters.


Because you haven't actually said anything. It's all been white noise sound bites and PR stuff.
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Iím sorry I canít convince you that center right moderate politics is preferable to a Marxist, antisemite populist.
Sorry, mate, but I will not be told by some wretched dishonest foreigner that the current shower of shitheads who call themselves "conservatives" are a "center [sic] right moderate" party, after all the lies and shenanigans we have seen over the last month.

Why don't you go take a hike in the taiga, Vladimir? We're not buying it.
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Old 25.11.2019, 19:48
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Try hitting the NHS targets Labour have set themselves when staff only have to work four days a week.
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It won't work as a policy. It has worked in specific cases (Microsoft Japan most recently) but you need to have an exceptional workforce, which micoroft has.

If you ask the UK workforce to work 4 days instead of 5, in the majority you will get a 20% lowering of productivity, which is bad for everyone. Plus from a pure practicality side it would be difficult: many things, such as teaching curricula, are based on 5 day weeks.
A large percentage of UK workers, work shifts as it is. This number is particularly high within the NHS, and my tenant is an NHS theatre nurse who works continentals, as do many of my friends. I worked rotating shifts for 16yrs in the UK.

We need to think outside of the 9-5 Mon-Fri box. When I was a union rep and the company initially wanted to introduce continentals, we did a lot of research into the most productive shift patterns and the health benefits for the workers. The one that came out top was adopted by a number of UK airports for their ground staff and 6 rotating x2 shifts with a 4 day break (2 earlies/2 mids/2 lates/4 off).
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some wretched dishonest foreigner
Key word in bold, lest any of our valuable non-British contributors think I'm taking a pop at them.

I'm not. Just the liars in our midst.
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Old 25.11.2019, 20:38
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Your question has little relevance to the point I was making and I imagine that after close to 25,000 opinions on the matter that this has been done to death. I could be mistaken and it could just be 25,000 postings of people complaining about a democratic vote. There only appears to be one Brexiteer member so perhaps this isnít too far from the truth.

Weíre 18 days away from a likely Conservative majority and 10 weeks away from the UK leaving the EU, so probably too late to be discussing the pros and cons of Brexit. In fact, it doesnít really make sense to discuss this unless one is still in denial about the outcome of the vote in 2016.

For what itís worth, Iíve already given my reasons for voting for Brexit. I believe the EU is the disease that purports to being the cure. I believe the EU to be fundamentally undemocratic, that it is incapable of reform, and hopelessly unprepared for the challenges it faces in the coming decades.

As for the advantages, I donít think Brexit will be one stop answer that many Brexiteers hope it will be. I think the effect to the UK economy will be negligible; undoubtedly a Jeremy Corbyn led government carries far more risk than Brexit ever could. There are certainly some immediate benefits in that divorce bill aside, the UK will no longer have to contribute to the EUís slush fund. Furthermore, the UK will avoid the reigns of the hopeless Ursula von der Leyen and the criminal Christine Lagarde.

The key advantages of Brexit however are long term which come with the return full sovereignty (and with it accountability) to the UK. No longer will Brussels be blamed for problems of the UK's own making. Looking further Brexit will also allow the UK to find her own place in the World and be better placed to adapt to the coming challenges ahead. The UK will be able to make the adjustments necessary only thinking of her own self interests rather than that of 27 other countries to become more competitive in a changing world. Most importantly the UK will no longer be tied to an expansionist EU intent on federalising.
So you are still unable to list any benefits!
"the return full sovereignty" It is clear from the Brexiteers reaction to the UK Parliament exercising its sovereignty to block Brexit deals that Brexiteers do not want this return.

"The UK will no longer have to contribute to the EUís slush fund", the UK will in return lose its free membership to the many EU benefits from Euratom to Free Skies &&&; likely for the UK replicating all these services will cost much more than this funding not to mention the billions UK already spent preparing for Brexit.

Everything else you quote like "avoid the reigns of the hopeless Ursula von der Leyen and the criminal Christine Lagarde" is pure jingoism; what is the actual measurable benefit for the UK?

"10 weeks away from the UK leaving the EU" Surely the transition period in the Boris deals runs to the end of next year?
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Old 25.11.2019, 21:12
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So you are still unable to list any benefits!
"the return full sovereignty" It is clear from the Brexiteers reaction to the UK Parliament exercising its sovereignty to block Brexit deals that Brexiteers do not want this return.

"The UK will no longer have to contribute to the EUís slush fund", the UK will in return lose its free membership to the many EU benefits from Euratom to Free Skies &&&; likely for the UK replicating all these services will cost much more than this funding not to mention the billions UK already spent preparing for Brexit.

Everything else you quote like "avoid the reigns of the hopeless Ursula von der Leyen and the criminal Christine Lagarde" is pure jingoism; what is the actual measurable benefit for the UK?

"10 weeks away from the UK leaving the EU" Surely the transition period in the Boris deals runs to the end of next year?
I've listed benefits. You've just chosen to ignore them, which is fair enough, but at least be honest.

So apart from fishing rights, supremacy of UK law, the ability to select who goes and lives in the UK, £15 billion annually, the ability to choose how £4.5 of the UK's own money is spent there, the ability to dictate own trade policy, the ability to set tariff rates, etc. I could go on, but you're not interested. Like 99% of all UK voters, you're not going to change your mind, which is the reason the polls have barely shifted in three and half years.

To correct you on a few of your points. The UK will have legally left the EU on January 31st. This is what got everyone in a so much of a panic before the last deadline in October. Nothing is for free as you state (very Corbynesque), however the likes of Hungary, Portugal and Poland get paid as net recipients of EU funds to enjoy access.

As for your return of full sovereignty argument, Brexiteers are rightly annoyed because Brexit has been continually frustrated. You will see true sovereignty on December 13th when many of these charlatans lose their seats. The same can't be said for removing Ms Lagarde and Ms von der Leyen.
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Sorry, mate, but I will not be told by some wretched dishonest foreigner that the current shower of shitheads who call themselves "conservatives" are a "center [sic] right moderate" party, after all the lies and shenanigans we have seen over the last month.

Why don't you go take a hike in the taiga, Vladimir? We're not buying it.
Do you not think that if I really worked for Vladimir Putin that I would be promoting Corbyn? The Russian's aim is to destabilise, and there would be no better way of achieving this than a Corbyn victory.

Also, if I were a Russian Bot, I think I would be a little more selective than to target an expat forum where the majority of members don't even have a vote.
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Heís your great hope because the alternative is Jeremy Corbyn.
BoJo is "your" great hope? You mean, as in the great hope of "you British people"?

You're lousy at lying and an incompetent troll. You're in the wrong place here.
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Do you not think that if I really worked for Vladimir Putin that I would be promoting Corbyn? The Russian's aim is to destabilise, and there would be no better way of achieving this than a Corbyn victory.
A destabilized EU would be a far greater prize for Putin than some mid-sized European country having the dust blown off its superseded, worn-out "traditions".
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I filtered that moron after reading 2 of his posts. I never understand why people lose time reading and replying to trolls or fanatics. Right click on profile --> Add to ignore list done.

Having done this for Tom's post as well is the best thing I've done in this forum, every time someone quotes someone I filtered I laugh hard
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I've listed benefits. You've just chosen to ignore them, which is fair enough, but at least be honest.
Did I miss the post where you said about your PPC? Would hate you to think I'm ignoring it.
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Did I miss the post where you said about your PPC? Would hate you to think I'm ignoring it.
No, but I am ignoring you. You're just looking for another way to get me to reveal where I'm from in the UK. I've already said I don't see how this is relevant to the debate on here.

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BoJo is "your" great hope? You mean, as in the great hope of "you British people"?

You're lousy at lying and an incompetent troll. You're in the wrong place here.
"Your" as in the person I was replying to. I said it very deliberately as people need to understand there is no third option, there is a choice between either Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn. People don't seem to grasp what a disaster Jeremy Corbyn would be, and are deluding themselves if they think Boris Johnson is worse. That is why it's "your" great hope, it's either manageably worse (even if you hate Boris Johnson) or total disaster under Corbyn.

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A destabilized EU would be a far greater prize for Putin than some mid-sized European country having the dust blown off its superseded, worn-out "traditions".
OK, I see you have a problem with the UK. At least you're honest.

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No, but I am ignoring you. You're just looking for another way to get me to reveal where I'm from in the UK. I've already said I don't see how this is relevant to the debate on here.
It's relevant because you are lying to us and being slippery. Your language is inconsistent, your "cover story" threads unconvincing.

You won't say where you're from in the UK because you're afraid one of us will know the area and immediately show you up for the foreign fraud you are.
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No, but I am ignoring you. You're just looking for another way to get me to reveal where I'm from in the UK. I've already said I don't see how this is relevant to the debate on here.
You sound as American as I am.
Buckaroo and weasel are American terms (just for starters).
Why are you stirring the pot ?
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In the early Ď70s I worked a 4 day week in the accounting department of a now-defunct airline. We worked from 0730 to 1800 but just for four days. Most people took either Fri or Mon off, but a few chose Wednesday. Although it was difficult to measure many were convinced productivity improved.

As an example every job has a setup and takedown costs coming from arriving, taking off your boots, finding your slippers, tracking down the tea ladies for that first cuppa, turning on your machines (pre desktop) like calculators, photocopy telex machines, fax machines, reading and distributing the telexes and cables etc. etc. Doing these things 4x a week rather than 5 (out of your 40 weekly hours) created time to actually do some of the real work..

I recall one winter the flight schedules worked out where one could get leave for the airport after work Thursday, fly to Hawaii arriving late Thursday - but generally before midnight. Two and a half full days in paradise before catching the plane back. It arrived around 0630 local giving you time for a quick shower and shave before work. Other than the Christmas/New Years weekends we made this trip every weekend from October to March. At the cost of zero vacation days. As I recall my vacation allotment that year was 6d, 6h and 22 1/2 minutes (based on 4 day week). Flight tickets were free ($8), hotels were never full so we could get airline rates, food and booze as cheap as at home. Ah, Iíd do it again.
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