The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[k_and_e]

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	Mine shows it as #25001!

Oops

[amogles]

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	The survey comprised just 1600 people, too, so it's hardly a meaningful representation.

My thoughts exactly.

There are so few argumentative remainers.

[greenmount]

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	I thought it was the leftie remainers that were snowflakes. Turns out the Tory / Brexiters are worse if anyone challenges their views. .

And you are still surprised? .....

	Quote:	Mikers
	depends on what you mean by snowflake. if baying mobs screaming "Tory Scum" at politicians is just them being snowflakes, perhaps things have moved on in politics since i knew it. i find the hard left to be out of all political groups the most aggressive and violent bunch you're going to meet. What is the minimum number of people that must be interviewed before a poll finding is representative ? If there's a clear figure then we can discount any under that.

The hard left and the hard right are exactly the same when it comes to aggression and violence (as well as the ensuing tears and outrage) so it's a fairly pointless observation because extremes of any beliefs are normally a sandwich short of a picnic anyway. TC's survey seemed to encompass the "every day" voter rather than the extremes.

The subject of the poll is completely woolly, too. What kind of stupid questions are they to pose in a survey? "Have you had an argument..?" Is that a discussion over breakfast or coming to blows in the pub?

It's a pointless poll done with a tiny amount of people which is then spun round by the media to create a feeling that Remainers and Labour voters are punching their poor, patriotic Brexit-voting colleagues over the printer at work.

[fatmanfilms]

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	The hard left and the hard right are exactly the same when it comes to aggression and violence (as well as the ensuing tears and outrage) so it's a fairly pointless observation because extremes of any beliefs are normally a sandwich short of a picnic anyway. TC's survey seemed to encompass the "every day" voter rather than the extremes.

I don't see the right wing Tories beating people up in the streets, National Front yes.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Mikers
	What is the minimum number of people that must be interviewed before a poll finding is representative ? If there's a clear figure then we can discount any under that.

The more people you interview, the smaller the statistical margin of error.

In this case the margin is at about 2 to 3 percent for 95 percent confidence.

So you can maybe quibble over percentage points but the big picture stands.

[Blueangel]

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	The hard left and the hard right are exactly the same when it comes to aggression and violence...

Absolutely.

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	It's a pointless poll done with a tiny amount of people which is then spun round by the media to create a feeling that Remainers and Labour voters are punching their poor, patriotic Brexit-voting colleagues over the printer at work.

Makes me wonder who's arguing with who in Labour Leave areas
I've not had a single argument over Brexit or the election.

[eng_ch]

	Quote:	jorido
	Im moving from the UK (London) to Switzerland in the New Year and thought I’d escape all of this! I’m both a Conservative and voted for Brexit (but each to their own!)

Considering your ability to move to Switzerland with ease depends on the EU citizenship you voted to lose, I think that was a slightly naive assumption!

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I don't see the right wing Tories beating people up in the streets, National Front yes.

Is that a bit like "if a tree falls down in a forest does it make a sound if nobody hears it?"

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You are a Tory-voter so I'm guessing you're blind to the antics of people like Tommy Robinson et al, and only see what the naughty extreme left is doing.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	What point do you make here?

That polls are just statistics and statistics can be manipulated to say whatever you want them to say. Depends on how the questions are worded, the types of questioned asked.

TL;DR? It's a lovely graph that proves nothing.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I don't see the right wing Tories beating people up in the streets, National Front yes.

No they have their barneys in the HoC.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Is that a bit like "if a tree falls down in a forest does it make a sound if nobody hears it?" Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You are a Tory-voter so I'm guessing you're blind to the antics of people like Tommy Robinson et al, and only see what the naughty extreme left is doing.

I don't vote for anyone, would probably have voted for Tony Blair on his second term had I been in the U.K. Ever heard of floating voters? Tommy Robinson was never a Conservative so hardly a good example.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	What point do you make here?

It's all in the article.

[Mikers]

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	Is that a bit like "if a tree falls down in a forest does it make a sound if nobody hears it?" Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You are a Tory-voter so I'm guessing you're blind to the antics of people like Tommy Robinson et al, and only see what the naughty extreme left is doing.

I think there is a difference between far right groups like tommy robinsons lot (who wont be tory supporters anyway they are national front / britain first supporters) and the general left leaning gang who find it funny to throw milk shakes over people while shouting "scum" at them.

If you can find some examples of conservative voters screaming "corbyn scum" at Jeremy corbyn, or John Macdonald, or the rest of them, would be great so I can be confident its not just a one sided affair.

	Quote:	Mikers
	I think there is a difference between far right groups like tommy robinsons lot (who wont be tory supporters anyway they are national front / britain first supporters) and the general left leaning gang who find it funny to throw milk shakes over people while shouting "scum" at them. If you can find some examples of conservative voters screaming "corbyn scum" at Jeremy corbyn, or John Macdonald, or the rest of them, would be great so I can be confident its not just a one sided affair.

Don't know if he's a Tory but as we seem to be apportioning Brexiters as Tories and Remainers as Lefties...

Brexit supporter who assaulted Jeremy Corbyn jailed for 28 days

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	A Brexit supporter who attacked Jeremy Corbyn with an egg during a mosque visit while yelling “respect the vote” has admitted an assault charge and been sentenced to 28 days’ imprisonment. John Murphy, hit the Labour leader in the head with the egg during the visit to Finsbury Park mosque and Muslim Welfare House in his north London constituency as part of the annual Visit My Mosque Day initiative.

Not sure why it's relevant nor why (once again) it's down to someone with an opposing point of view having to find sources to support someone else's views but, hey.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I don't vote for anyone, would probably have voted for Tony Blair on his second term had I been in the U.K. Ever heard of floating voters? Tommy Robinson was never a Conservative so hardly a good example.

Mikers brought up the subject of "hard left" and "hard right" so my post was really directed at him rather than you and your "reminiscing about Tony Blair" / "I can't vote" response. Tommy Robinson is a hard right example so was therefore relevant. Just sayin'

Read the preceding posts before going off on a tangent.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Mikers
	I think there is a difference between far right groups like tommy robinsons lot (who wont be tory supporters anyway they are national front / britain first supporters) and the general left leaning gang who find it funny to throw milk shakes over people while shouting "scum" at them.

To me even the idea of holding up Tommy Robinson as an example of despicable Toriness simply reeks of desperation.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Absolutely. I've not had a single argument over Brexit or the election.

I have. But then me and my mum made up over a cuppa.

	Quote:	amogles
	To me even the idea of holding up Tommy Robinson as an example of despicable Toriness simply reeks of desperation.

Isn't he "hard right", then?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	amogles
	To me even the idea of holding up Tommy Robinson as an example of despicable Toriness simply reeks of desperation.

Quite, people have very short memories, how about 'Ding Dong the which is dead" celebrating the death of Mrs Thatcher. More than 1 person in this thread commented positively at the time.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Quite, people have very short memories, how about 'Ding Dong the which is dead" celebrating the death of Mrs Thatcher. More than 1 person in this thread commented positively at the time.

That counts me out. I can spell "witch".