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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

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Newcastle Brown ale more like, Champagne will soon be too expensive
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Was this all you could come up with for the 25000th post in the thread?
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I think YouGov may have found the reason there are so few conservative and Brexiteers voices on this forum. Their polling suggests:



https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...neral-election

https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1204078082975522818
this is one of the most fascinating and revealing posts in this entire discussion.
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How to spot misleading poll figures:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1575966359821
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How to spot misleading poll figures:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1575966359821
What point do you make here?
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I think YouGov may have found the reason there are so few conservative and Brexiteers voices on this forum. Their polling suggests:



https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...neral-election

https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1204078082975522818
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this is one of the most fascinating and revealing posts in this entire discussion.
Probably not for the reasons that ToryClifton intended, though...

I thought it was the leftie remainers that were snowflakes. Turns out the Tory / Brexiters are worse if anyone challenges their views.

The survey comprised just 1600 people, too, so it's hardly a meaningful representation.
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I think YouGov may have found the reason there are so few conservative and Brexiteers voices on this forum. Their polling suggests:



https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...neral-election

https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1204078082975522818
Im moving from the UK (London) to Switzerland in the New Year and thought Id escape all of this!

Im both a Conservative and voted for Brexit (but each to their own!)
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Was this all you could come up with for the 25000th post in the thread?
Mine shows it as #25001!
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Probably not for the reasons that ToryClifton intended, though...

I thought it was the leftie remainers that were snowflakes. Turns out the Tory / Brexiters are worse if anyone challenges their views.

The survey comprised just 1600 people, too, so it's hardly a meaningful representation.
depends on what you mean by snowflake. if baying mobs screaming "Tory Scum" at politicians is just them being snowflakes, perhaps things have moved on in politics since i knew it.

i find the hard left to be out of all political groups the most aggressive and violent bunch you're going to meet.

What is the minimum number of people that must be interviewed before a poll finding is representative ? If there's a clear figure then we can discount any under that.
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The survey comprised just 1600 people, too, so it's hardly a meaningful representation.
My thoughts exactly.

There are so few argumentative remainers.
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I thought it was the leftie remainers that were snowflakes. Turns out the Tory / Brexiters are worse if anyone challenges their views.
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And you are still surprised? .....
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depends on what you mean by snowflake. if baying mobs screaming "Tory Scum" at politicians is just them being snowflakes, perhaps things have moved on in politics since i knew it.

i find the hard left to be out of all political groups the most aggressive and violent bunch you're going to meet.

What is the minimum number of people that must be interviewed before a poll finding is representative ? If there's a clear figure then we can discount any under that.
The hard left and the hard right are exactly the same when it comes to aggression and violence (as well as the ensuing tears and outrage) so it's a fairly pointless observation because extremes of any beliefs are normally a sandwich short of a picnic anyway. TC's survey seemed to encompass the "every day" voter rather than the extremes.

The subject of the poll is completely woolly, too. What kind of stupid questions are they to pose in a survey? "Have you had an argument..?" Is that a discussion over breakfast or coming to blows in the pub?

It's a pointless poll done with a tiny amount of people which is then spun round by the media to create a feeling that Remainers and Labour voters are punching their poor, patriotic Brexit-voting colleagues over the printer at work.
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The hard left and the hard right are exactly the same when it comes to aggression and violence (as well as the ensuing tears and outrage) so it's a fairly pointless observation because extremes of any beliefs are normally a sandwich short of a picnic anyway. TC's survey seemed to encompass the "every day" voter rather than the extremes.
I don't see the right wing Tories beating people up in the streets, National Front yes.
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What is the minimum number of people that must be interviewed before a poll finding is representative ? If there's a clear figure then we can discount any under that.
The more people you interview, the smaller the statistical margin of error.

In this case the margin is at about 2 to 3 percent for 95 percent confidence.

So you can maybe quibble over percentage points but the big picture stands.

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Makes me wonder who's arguing with who in Labour Leave areas
I've not had a single argument over Brexit or the election.
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Im moving from the UK (London) to Switzerland in the New Year and thought Id escape all of this!

Im both a Conservative and voted for Brexit (but each to their own!)

Considering your ability to move to Switzerland with ease depends on the EU citizenship you voted to lose, I think that was a slightly naive assumption!
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I don't see the right wing Tories beating people up in the streets, National Front yes.
Is that a bit like "if a tree falls down in a forest does it make a sound if nobody hears it?"

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You are a Tory-voter so I'm guessing you're blind to the antics of people like Tommy Robinson et al, and only see what the naughty extreme left is doing.
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What point do you make here?
That polls are just statistics and statistics can be manipulated to say whatever you want them to say. Depends on how the questions are worded, the types of questioned asked.

TL;DR? It's a lovely graph that proves nothing.
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I don't see the right wing Tories beating people up in the streets, National Front yes.
No they have their barneys in the HoC.
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