The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	You missed all the fun!

Not really. I posted it on fb and got the most shares I've ever had for a post amongst my mates.

	Quote:	Mikers
	Doesnt seem that derailed to me. It shows that in line with the survey, labour supporters view people who dont hold thier views more negatively than conservative supporters. I think we're still on track. if you've got an example, post away. if not then yes lets move on from the accurate and informative survey that Tony has posted.

Labour politician Jo Cox murdered by right winger.

Yes, I imagine it will be pulled apart that he had depression and was an "extreme right winger" yada, yada, yada, but, to be fair, the Tory champions on here would pick apart ANY example given yet, ironically, find that UKIP/Brexit Party's Nigel Farage covered in milkshake and some moron running into an extended finger is the shining proof that the Tories are under attack from the baying mob of Labour supporters.

All about the spin.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Not really. I posted it on fb and got the most shares I've ever had for a post amongst my mates.

That proves the point I think.

	Quote:	amogles
	And so the meltdown continues, as we drift into the realm of ever absurder extrapolations. The statistic showed that Labour and Remain supporters are less likely to be tolerant of views on these matters that differ from their own. Nothing in there about hurt feelings.

So extreme examples and extrapolations are ok from the likes of you, Mikers and FMF?

If you wanted to stick to the thrust of the survey you should have said earlier instead of going off on some bizarre route to find more and more extreme and niche examples.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	amogles
	The statistic showed that Labour and Remain supporters are less likely to be tolerant of views on these matters that differ from their own.

And again...
What does the survey say about Labour Leave voters and Conservative Remain voters?

For the survey result to have the weight you would like to apportion to it, at least one of the following would need to apply...
All Labour voters also voted to Remain.
All Remain voters also vote Labour.
All Conservative voters also voted Leave.
All Leave voters also vote Conservative.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	That proves the point I think.

I doesn't prove anything because I'm not a Labour supporter and you can't conflate the two survey criteria as one did not exist before the other.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	amogles
	The statistic showed that Labour and Remain supporters are less likely to be tolerant of views on these matters that differ from their own.

Just a little something for you to build in your spare time, and I wish you many happy hours labelling all the options.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I doesn't prove anything because I'm not a Labour supporter and you can't conflate the two survey criteria as one did not exist before the other.

Who is trying to conflate the two criteria?

The survey says that labour supporters are less tolerant of diverging views. It also says that Remainers ditto. Nowhere does it claim to prove that the two groups are necessarily conflated.

Again. Reading skills please.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	greenmount
	It's all in the article.

Coincidentally right after someone posted a poll...

[Mikers]

	Quote:
	Labour politician Jo Cox murdered by right winger. Yes, I imagine it will be pulled apart that he had depression and was an "extreme right winger" yada, yada, yada, but, to be fair, the Tory champions on here would pick apart ANY example given yet, ironically, find that UKIP/Brexit Party's Nigel Farage covered in milkshake and some moron running into an extended finger is the shining proof that the Tories are under attack from the baying mob of Labour supporters. All about the spin.

If thats your example of a standard right wing conservative, it'll be fairly scary to go and vote on thursday. The bloke was an "extreme right wing terrorist" and thats according to the guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-jo-cox-murder) thats normally fairly left leaning.

It has nothing to do with spin and everything to do with people. There is a mindset that shouting at conservative MP's is just an "ok thing to do" because they are, after all, Tory Scum. Yet Corbyn, who opened his reign famously promising a "kinder, gentler kind of politics" has in fact shown to be exactly the opposite, from hating jewish people to hanging out with terrorists and it's shown in the violent mob that pass off as Momentum.

You can claim that nothing ever happens anywhere, that all TV reporting is just fake news, or spin, or plain made up. But as jeremy Corbyn is now finding out, having spent his entire career hating Jewish people and labour giving them the Tory Scum treatment, now saying on the odd TV show "no, of course we dont and there's no anti-semitism on my watch" just isnt cutting it any more.

Labour supporters are less tolerant of people who hold different political views than them than Conservative or Labour. There is just too much evidence to say otherwise.

Side Note: Please do not refer to me as a "Tory Champion" or I will go off sulking again for the next six months. I dont like Boris Johnson as much as you don't (I assume you dont). But I dont like left wing bullying, which is a different topic.

	Quote:	amogles
	Who is trying to conflate the two criteria? The survey says that labour supporters are less tolerant of diverging views. It also says that Remainers ditto. Nowhere does it claim to prove that the two groups are necessarily conflated. Again. Reading skills please.

The overriding result is that people are viewed with "no difference" with marginal differences of whether they are labour or conservative supporters. The whole poll is stupid, as I said but it doesn't stop idiotic interpretations of the tiniest of statistics.

Perspective skillz. They're not so common. Or summat.

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	The overriding result is that people are viewed with "no difference" with marginal differences of whether they are labour or conservative supporters. The whole poll is stupid, as I said but it doesn't stop idiotic interpretations of the tiniest of statistics. Perspective skillz. They're not so common. Or summat.

This.

I posit that perhaps one of the reasons there may not be as many examples of Tories protesting is complacency. They are the current status quo with the arrogance to believe nothing will change that. It's generally folk who want the most change who make the most noise.

It may as well be asked why there are so few/no examples of men enduring hunger strikes/force feedings etc in the name of emancipation.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	amogles
	Who is trying to conflate the two criteria?... ...Again. Reading skills please.

The post you quoted was in answer to FMF r.e. Thatcher and his hint that the survey result could also apply to those who took a particular view when she died. As I'm not a Labour supporter and the leave/remain aspect didn't exist in 2013, the example could not be made with any degree of accuracy.

Comprehension skills please.

[TonyClifton]

Jon Ashworth has now revealed the true thoughts of many Labour MPs, what an embarrassment they are. The honourable ones resigned a long time ago in disgust, however so many "moderates" like Jon Ashworth and Jess Phillips remain. They have no backbone and just ignore the big dark cloud over the party that is Jeremy Corbyn. At what point are they going to admit what a danger the Jeremy Corbyn backed up by his Momentum brownshirts is?

[Mikers]

	Quote:
	This. I posit that perhaps one of the reasons there may not be as many examples of Tories protesting is complacency. They are the current status quo with the arrogance to believe nothing will change that. It's generally folk who want the most change who make the most noise. It may as well be asked why there are so few/no examples of men enduring hunger strikes etc in the name of emancipation.

Its a possible theory. So with labour in power 1994-2010, perhaps we could dig out just one clip, one video, one reasonable example without using absolute headcases, of a bunch of tories shouting "labour scum" at some labour politicians. they must be one surely ? something like this but for labour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLEGR4RKgO0

Jess Phillips no backbone? Do you even know who she is? She is all backbone.

[Mikers]

	Quote:
	Jess Phillips no backbone? Do you even know who she is? She is all backbone.

I agree with this. I wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of her after a bad day at the office. She's up there with Cheryl Cole in terms of nice people on telly you wouldnt want to mess with in real life.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:
	Jess Phillips no backbone? Do you even know who she is? She is all backbone.

In that case, why hasn’t she spoken out against Corbyn? Or resigned?

[amogles]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Its a possible theory. So with labour in power 1994-2010, perhaps we could dig out just one clip, one video, one reasonable example without using absolute headcases, of a bunch of tories shouting "labour scum" at some labour politicians. they must be one surely ? something like this but for labour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLEGR4RKgO0

Didn't Gordon Brown punch a pensioner once? I'm sure he must have had it coming.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	amogles
	Didn't Gordon Brown punch a pensioner once? I'm sure he must have had it coming.

my argument collapses!

	Quote:	amogles
	Didn't Gordon Brown punch a pensioner once? I'm sure he must have had it coming.

I think you are conflating Brown and Prescott. Prescott hilariously lamped someone who threw an egg at him...Brown got caught on a hot mic calling a racist old biddy a racist.