The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	Mikers
	amongst labour supporters thats 49% indifferent, 41% look negatively. Is that "most" to you ? In the same stroke then looks like most people voted for brexit.

No it doesn‘t look like ‘most voted for Brexit’. Although if it‘s that easy to fudge around with ‘how it looks‘ it gives weight to the suggestion it was a shit survey in the first place.

49% ‘indifferent’ is more than 41% ‘negatively’. Do you have a different definition of ‘most’?

[fatmanfilms]

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	49% ‘indifferent’ is more than 41% ‘negatively’. Do you have a different definition of ‘most’?

Most would have to be more than half, neither 49% or 41% are more than half.

[Blueangel]

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	Nope, we are two independently minded women who may disagree about some things but when we agree... we agree.

You'd think he'd have mentioned the infamous Owen Smith and Lisa Nandy joint interview in 2016. Hmmm...

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Most would have to be more than half, neither 49% or 41% are more than half.

Seriously, you think ‘most’ has to be ‘more than half’? If you have 49 apples, I‘ve got 41 apples and someone else has got 10 apples, who do you think has got ‘most‘ apples?

This thread has take an unexpected turn...

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Mikers
	amongst labour supporters thats 49% indifferent, 41% look negatively. Is that "most" to you ? In the same stroke then looks like most people voted for brexit.

Still not sure how this survey is relevant.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Most would have to be more than half, neither 49% or 41% are more than half.

No. Most is not more than half.


Ha! Just seen Sandgrounder's reply.

No wonder these kinds of surveys get so much traction, folk don't understand what they are looking at.

[k_and_e]

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	Seriously, you think ‘most’ has to be ‘more than half’? If you have 49 apples, I‘ve got 41 apples and someone else has got 10 apples, who do you think has got ‘most‘ apples? This thread has take an unexpected turn...

The one with 49 apples would have most apples but not most of the apples.

[greenmount]

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	No. Most is not more than half. Ha! Just seen Sandgrounder's reply. No wonder these kinds of surveys get so much traction, folk don't understand what they are looking at.

I think it's not relevant to anything, even though, from a post here I quote

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	“Labour voters (41%) and Remain voters (40%) are much more likely to judge someone else negatively for voting differently to them than Conservative voters (19%) and Leave voters (13%)”

OK, I judge you negatively for voting differently, is that an indicative for anything else? Will they beat those who vote differently? How's that relevant to what here?
I judge you negatively if you are queue jumper. Will I beat you, or even shout at you? Definitely not.

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	No wonder these kinds of surveys get so much traction, folk don't understand what they are looking at.

I think they understand whatever plays to their beliefs. It’s an unremarkable poll with woolly criteria and marginal stats, but hey, it’s putting the boot into the Labour Party so it’s a big Tory thumbs up.

[Mikers]

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	No it doesn‘t look like ‘most voted for Brexit’. Although if it‘s that easy to fudge around with ‘how it looks‘ it gives weight to the suggestion it was a shit survey in the first place. 49% ‘indifferent’ is more than 41% ‘negatively’. Do you have a different definition of ‘most’?

52%is more than 48%, most people voted for brexit. Have you gone completely barking mad ?

[Mikers]

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	I think they understand whatever plays to their beliefs. It’s an unremarkable poll with woolly criteria and marginal stats, but hey, it’s putting the boot into the Labour Party so it’s a big Tory thumbs up.

I’d feel a bit more balanced if you could show me some tories shouting ‘labour scum’ at labour mp’s. Any example, any time is fine.

	Quote:	Mikers
	I’d feel a bit more balanced if you could show me some tories shouting ‘labour scum’ at conservative mp’s. Any example, any time is fine.

Why would Tories shout "labour scum" at conservative MPs? Stretching credulity a bit here.

[Mikers]

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	Why would Tories shout "labour scum" at conservative MPs? Stretching credulity a bit here.

Oops typo!!! Thanks I’ll correct it.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Mikers
	I have pointed out that the labour left if often seen screaming and shouting at conservative MP's using various insults. Conservative voters do not seem to do the same thing to labour voters. Of couse, instead of accepting this observation this has been challenged again (such as by yourself saying this could be because the conservatives are in power) to which I have quite rightly pointed out labour have been in power for large lengths of time so the same such news reports should exist, tories screaming at labour MP's, during this window. To me its all very logical, fair, uncomplicated and clear. If this is an equal activity, and it is not the case that labour lefties are a bunch of thugs, then we should be able to come up with some suitable examples of conservatives berating labour MP's. up to now, apart from lots of topic changing, pretend confusion, obfuscating, attempts to close the topic because there have been several posts, no one has actually done that. Therefore I stand by my point, which is very simple: the survey which presents itself as being accurate, is.

No, it's not that simple and I'd explain where your theory has flaws:
- labour supporters are often seen screaming at conservative MP's - all of them? how many?
- if some of them scream at tories, does that mean that all of them do that, and consequently they all deserve to be called "thugs"?
- 41% of labour voters are also seen screaming? Are you sure that this survey can be read like that? (what does it mean judging negatively btw.)
Or is it possible we talk about different demographics and only a fraction of labour voters/supporters would go to this length to show their disapproval.

	Quote:	Mikers
	52%is more than 48%, most people voted for brexit. Have you gone completely barking mad ?

I think you missed a few posts. It wasn’t about the EU referendum result.

[Mikers]

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	I think you missed a few posts. It wasn’t about the EU referendum result.

thats about your definition of most. i can only debate if you can keep up.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	greenmount
	No, it's not that simple and I'd explain where your theory has flaws: - labour supporters are often seen screaming at conservative MP's - all of them? how many? - if some of them scream at tories, does that mean that all of them do that, and consequently they all deserve to be called "thugs"? - 41% of labour voters are also seen screaming? Are you sure that this survey can be read like that? (what does it mean judging negatively btw.) Or is it possible we talk about different demographics and only a fraction of labour voters/supporters would go to this length to show their disapproval.

- lots
- no, only some. not all are thugs.
- yes all possible.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	52%is more than 48%, most people voted for brexit. Have you gone completely barking mad ?

You’re wasting your time. There’s no debate to be had here, this lot would argue day is night for the kicks it gives them. A reputable data analytics firm has posted a poll after using a significant sample size and come out with a clear result. If people don’t want to believe the result then there is nothing that you can say which will convince them otherwise. Save yourself. They can only evade reality for so long.

	Quote:	Mikers
	thats about your definition of most. i can only debate if you can keep up.

No, you've moved the goal posts. It's a Leave problem...

Neither you or TC are actually debating anything. You're clinging desperately to the wreckage of a non argument and trying to put the boot in because the conversation isn't going the way you want it to.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	You’re wasting your time. There’s no debate to be had here, this lot would argue day is night for the kicks it gives them. A reputable data analytics firm has posted a poll after using a significant sample size and come out with a clear result. If people don’t want to believe the result then there is nothing that you can say which will convince them otherwise. Save yourself. They can only evade reality for so long.

It's cute, seriously.