The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	amogles
	...I never claimed that doing so was, in itself, radical left...

I know.

But someone else did.

	Quote:	amogles
	I'm not sure. In the Canton of Zürich for example, there are SBB trains, trains owned by the canton and / or local authorities, some even with some minority private ownership. There are trams. There are buses run by at least half a dozen different entities ranging from the post office to VBZ to lots of regional and local setups. Yet it all fits together seamlessly. No sign of fragmentation. That's because they all work together. And they all work together because they are all part of the same strategy, managed by people like the transport ministry and ZVV and backed up by different levels of government who are prepared to follow up their words with money.

It works because there is an overriding authority, ZVV, that can deal with all these organisations more easily because they are all public.

The one place in the UK with decent transport (in my experience) is London where TFL does a similar job. Underground and Overground are publically owned, the busses admittedly not but also highly controlled and specified. One simple, joined-up ticketing system. Works less well in the regular rail which are all more privatised but as that mainly affects south of the river I'm less fussed about that

[Troublawesome]

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[Mikers]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	This thread has become an endless sea of spam.

Reported as spam.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	This. You forgot civil negotiation. That's what enables the compromise, me thinks.

Are you the famous Music Chick? If so, are you able to tell me why you keep getting mentioned regarding Brexit?

[TonyClifton]

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	Is it? Perhaps you don't realise (or don't want to realise) that most of the things Labour want to nationalise are ALREADY nationalised in the Nordic countries. Ditto Switzerland actually - trains, power (grid and local distribution) and post are all mostly nationalised or under local government control here. Comms here are also still highly controlled by Swisscom - 51% government owned. Oh and by "Nordic countries don't confiscate 10% of large businesses" - I presume you're talking about tax. Have you ever checked out the tax rates in those countries?

I'm not talking about tax, I'm talking about the Labour manifesto pledge to confiscate 10% of companies, without compensation, and hand it to employees. It's there in black and white on page 60 of their manifesto.

Power isn't nationalised in Nordic countries. There are state owned companies, but there is also a choice of supplier. The same goes for Rail. None have state owned broadband.

There's nothing wrong with with part or full state owned companies, as you've said, they work very well here. Nationalising public services on mass however to restrict the choice to the consumer is pure socialism.

And a word about British Rail, it's a common misconception that there was a golden age of rail transport when then company was state owned. This is a myth, it was always terrible. Look at the graph below, numbers plummeted after the railways were nationalised in 1948 because it was so terrible. The British rail system was created by private companies and the golden age of rail transport was around the turn of the last century.

Privitisation was so successful that now too many people are using the trains. What is worst about Jeremy Corbyn's transport policies is that the worst off don't even use the trains in the UK on a regular basis, so he is expecting shelf stackers and fruit pickers to fund wealthy commuters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_t..._1830-2015.png

[greenmount]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Are you the famous Music Chick? If so, are you able to tell me why you keep getting mentioned regarding Brexit?

Regarding you, actually....

And don't try to drag the discussion back where we didn't want to be in the first place. This is what you have tried to do the whole time.

Any other interesting ideas about why the Tories are better than the Labour?

[TonyClifton]

Why did you delete my post Roegner? Is it not acceptable to point out my objection to being discriminated against for being dyslexic?

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Regarding you, actually.... And don't try to drag the discussion back where we didn't want to be in the first place. This is what you have tried to do the whole time. Any other interesting ideas about why the Tories are better than the Labour?

No I've said all I had to say on the matter. Antisemitism and socialism are the two and only reasons. If it wasn't for the antisemitism, I may have welcomed a dose Marxist misery on the UK to teach the middle class and student sneerers a lesson in what it really means. As it is I will be praying to God in Heaven to deliver a Conservative victory so that our Jewish friends can once again feel reassured and safeguarded.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Why did you delete my post Roegner? Is it not acceptable to point out my objection to being discriminated against for being dyslexic?

Why are Brexiteers always dyslexic on here?

[greenmount]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	No I've said all I had to say on the matter. Antisemitism and socialism are the two and only reasons. If it wasn't for the antisemitism, I may have welcomed a dose Marxist misery on the UK to teach the middle class and student sneerers a lesson in what it really means. As it is I will be praying to God in Heaven to deliver a Conservative victory so that our Jewish friends can once again feel reassured and safeguarded.

Where do you think teachers, medical staff, police, judges, prosecutors and other categories belong to? Are they middle classes or just paupers. Because they might have a different opinion.

[Blueangel]

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	Why are Brexiteers always dyslexic on here?

Why can I not read 'Brexiteer' without this tune popping into my head?

How does this work?

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Where do you think teachers, medical staff, police, judges, prosecutors and other categories belong to? Are they middle classes or just paupers. Because they might have a different opinion.

They absolutely are, but whatever they are going through as a community, it is not nearly as bad as what the Jewish community is going through today.

Read this and try to understand this is the most important reason to avoid a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour government.

https://twitter.com/sara_rose_g/stat...79695643463691

[Raffles]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	They absolutely are, but whatever they are going through as a community, it is not nearly as bad as what the Jewish community is going through today. Read this and try to understand this is the most important reason to avoid a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour government. https://twitter.com/sara_rose_g/stat...79695643463691

Mate we agree antisemitism is wrong. But it's got nothing to do with the election. BREXIT.

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	It works because there is an overriding authority, ZVV, that can deal with all these organisations more easily because they are all public. The one place in the UK with decent transport (in my experience) is London where TFL does a similar job. Underground and Overground are publically owned, the busses admittedly not but also highly controlled and specified. One simple, joined-up ticketing system. Works less well in the regular rail which are all more privatised but as that mainly affects south of the river I'm less fussed about that

Yes this. Same in Manchester too. TfGM does a great job.

[TonyClifton]

If the exit poll is to be believed then I’m so happy first and foremost for our treasured Jewish community!!!

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Raffles
	Mate we agree antisemitism is wrong. But it's got nothing to do with the election. BREXIT.

No, a vote for Labour was enabling antisemitism. If you voted Labour, you should own it.

And as for Brexit, I’ve always said that Remain are very good at winning every battle as long as it doesn’t involve asking the people. If the exit poll is to believed, it will be a remarkable victory for Brexit and democracy.

[greenmount]

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	Why are Brexiteers always dyslexic on here?

That's a tough one.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	No, a vote for Labour was enabling antisemitism. If you voted Labour, you should own it. And as for Brexit, I’ve always said that Remain are very good at winning every battle as long as it doesn’t involve asking the people. If the exit poll is to believed, it will be a remarkable victory for Brexit and democracy.

Do you think it is God's will or does it have to do more with Rupert Murdoch's will? Well, he's almost a semi-god. Semi-dog, rather.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	If the exit poll is to be believed then I’m so happy first and foremost for our treasured Jewish community!!!

You are flogging an irrelevant horse. And it is, amongst other things, deathly dull.

[Troublawesome]

Majority of 86 for Boris, wow.

Say what you want about the man, he has a talent for winning elections.