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fatmanfilms · #**25221** 13.12.2019, 10:10

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	And the point of this lovely little sentence is? Or is that one of them there personal attacks that "isn't" if certain folk say it? If you had any clue at all of the daily struggle somw folk have you wouldn't be so ridiculous in your trolling attempt. I could say the same about you, of course. I doubt you've ever encountered poverty in your life.

I believe many of your friends don't want an argument with you so let you live in an echo chamber to make you happy.

This is the 4th election that Labour have not been able to convince the owners of cars, iPhones, 55 inch TV's they are subject to abject poverty.

You could say the same about me, however that would be foolish as I have been proved right time & time again in this thread when you have been wrong every time. It's about accepting defeat.

#**25222** 13.12.2019, 10:19

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I believe many of your friends don't want an argument with you so let you live in an echo chamber to make you happy. This is the 4th election that Labour have not been able to convince the owners of cars, iPhones, 55 inch TV's they are subject to abject poverty. You could say the same about me, however that would be foolish as I have been proved right time & time again in this thread when you have been wrong every time. It's about accepting defeat.

Just trying to imagine how much squealing and hand-wringing there would have been from the Tory boys on EF had Labour won last night.

I'm sure you would have rolled over and accepted it like a good boy, right? Not a peep would have been uttered, right?

The result is clear but it doesn't mean that people have to like it, do they? Maybe you should rein in the personal attacks on people when you have no idea how this government will affect them personally.

Maybe you should also accept that people have different views and circumstances to you. If everyone thought like you, there wouldn't be one seat that wasn't blue in parliament today.

#**25223** 13.12.2019, 10:23

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I believe many of your friends don't want an argument with you so let you live in an echo chamber to make you happy. This is the 4th election that Labour have not been able to convince the owners of cars, iPhones, 55 inch TV's they are subject to abject poverty. You could say the same about me, however that would be foolish as I have been proved right time & time again in this thread when you have been wrong every time. It's about accepting defeat.

Believe whatever you want flower, it does not make it true.

By the way, that's another personal attack.

Geminder · #**25224** 13.12.2019, 10:24

Accept, Change or Move

You cannot change the outcome now so you have two choices:

Accept it or move...but presumably you're already in Switzerland so er, not sure where I'm going with this

But seriously, those are your three options in life, often not all available.

#**25225** 13.12.2019, 10:26

	Quote:	Geminder
	Accept, Change or Move You cannot change the outcome now so you have two choices: Accept it or move...but presumably you're already in Switzerland so er, not sure where I'm going with this But seriously, those are your three options in life, often not all available.

Who are you directing this at?

#**25226** 13.12.2019, 10:31

Best video of the night .. Wee Jimmy Sturgeon celebrating the defeat of Jo Swinson..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9244946.html

A resounding defeat for the rich, elitist, socialist snowflake luvvies like Lily Alan and Hugh Grant .. Fantastic.

#**25227** 13.12.2019, 10:33

	Quote:	John_H
	A resounding defeat for the rich, elitist, socialist snowflake luvvies like Lily Alan and Hugh Grant .. Fantastic.

Jesus wept, is this really what it's about? Sticking it to the celebs?

Good job everyone is keeping a healthy sense of realism, isn't it?

#**25228** 13.12.2019, 10:37

	Quote:	Geminder
	Accept, Change or Move You cannot change the outcome now so you have two choices: Accept it or move...but presumably you're already in Switzerland so er, not sure where I'm going with this But seriously, those are your three options in life, often not all available.

You can't change yesterday but you can prepare for the next. No government is forever, the fight to change this one starts today.

#**25229** 13.12.2019, 10:41

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	Jesus wept, is this really what it's about? Sticking it to the celebs? Good job everyone is keeping a healthy sense of realism, isn't it?

It is 2019, celebrity support is becoming more and more important.

marton · #**25230** 13.12.2019, 10:42

Interesting BBC graphic that supports the view Labour's big problem was Corbyn, not only Brexit.

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#**25231** 13.12.2019, 10:44

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	It is 2019, celebrity support is becoming more and more important.

Actually it's nothing new, particularly in UK politics. Famous people have nailed their colours to the mast during election campaigns for years and years.

#**25232** 13.12.2019, 10:45

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	This is the 4th election that Labour have not been able to convince the owners of cars, iPhones, 55 inch TV's they are subject to abject poverty.

There's over 14 million people living in poverty in the UK. Love the way you completely dismiss them.

https://fullfact.org/economy/poverty...s-and-figures/

Jim2007 · #**25233** 13.12.2019, 10:46

	Quote:	Mikers
	That's a lesson for her in life, don't say you'll reverse a democratic vote unilaterally.

There is nothing undemocratic about proposing a course of action and seeking a mandate to carry it out. That is how change happens in a democracy.

V__ · #**25234** 13.12.2019, 10:47

It must have been the Russians again

Jim2007 · #**25235** 13.12.2019, 10:58

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	There's over 14 million people living in poverty in the UK. Love the way you completely dismiss them.

Well unless you believe the result happened by voter fraud, a large portion of those people voted Tory.... How they will feel after seeing the reality of BREXIT in the coming months and years remain to be seen. Will Boris deliver their dreams? I doubt it, but then I also doubt Labour will be in a better position by the next election either.

#**25236** 13.12.2019, 10:58

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	What is frightening is how out of touch you & your friends are. I think they thought by voting Tory both could be achieved.

Out of touch? Do you realise 56.4% DIDN'T vote for the Tories? About 54% voted for parties that were either pro remain or at least a second referendum?

Only the perverted UK electoral system could deliver this result and then have the PM crow about his mandate. From the popular vote he doesn't have one.

#**25237** 13.12.2019, 11:00

	Quote:	Jim2007
	...a large portion of those people voted Tory....

I don't know that, neither do you. One way or the other.

Mikers · #**25238** 13.12.2019, 11:01

	Quote:	Jim2007
	There is nothing undemocratic about proposing a course of action and seeking a mandate to carry it out. That is how change happens in a democracy.

Fortunately a good set of British people do see it as an attempt at distorting democracy rather than enforcing it, so voted her out. It's great when people see through people trying to pull the wool over their eyes.

Mikers · #**25239** 13.12.2019, 11:02

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	Out of touch? Do you realise 56.4% DIDN'T vote for the Tories? About 54% voted for parties that were either pro remain or at least a second referendum? Only the perverted UK electoral system could deliver this result and then have the PM crow about his mandate. From the popular vote he doesn't have one.

ta daaaaaaaaaaaaa! and there it is. We are about, perhaps 3 hours into our new term and the first instance of "He doesnt have a mandate" is out of the blocks.

#**25240** 13.12.2019, 11:06

	Quote:	Mikers
	ta daaaaaaaaaaaaa! and there it is. We are about, perhaps 3 hours into our new term and the first instance of "He doesnt have a mandate" is out of the blocks.

Shame that it's true, isn't it.