The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[lewton]

OMG I'm loving these projected results!
Looks like we get to keep Scotland in the EU.
Good bye England.

[Mikers]

ok so i coudn't stay up but im perhaps the first comment of the wake-up's today!

So its tories by a country mile. No result is a winner for me, but main bit ive picked up is Swinson has lost her seat! That's a lesson for her in life, don't say you'll reverse a democratic vote unilaterally. the british people do have a sense of fairness and that never went down well.

Corbyn blames the media of course.

[TonyClifton]

The two great evils of the twentieth century, antisemitism ans socialism, have been defeated! The political landscape has been redefined, Leave/Remain has affected how the seats have fallen! The working classes no longer vote for Labour! The rotten Parliament has been punished! Democracy in a action! Faith restored in the great British public!

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The two great evils of the twentieth century, antisemitism ans socialism, have been defeated! The political landscape has been redefined, Leave/Remain has affected how the seats have fallen! The working classes no longer vote for Labour! The rotten Parliament has been punished! Democracy in a action! Faith restored in the great British public!

I guess all it shows is that the electorate has been wooed by the dazzling spending promised by the Tories. Let’s see how much of it was true or you might find yourself in your socialist dystopia come the next election. Or maybe you’ll still live here where it won’t actually matter to you.

[Mikers]

Labour never recovered from not having a position on brexit and it just annoyed people, I think. You can't spend forever sitting on the fence.

Good to see the British people are also daft enough to fall for the Trump playbook.

Said no to a BJ, still got f**ked

[NotAllThere]

	Quote:	Mikers
	So its tories by a country mile. No result is a winner for me, but main bit ive picked up is Swinson has lost her seat! That's a lesson for her in life, don't say you'll reverse a democratic vote unilaterally. the british people do have a sense of fairness and that never went down well.

There are plenty of British people, who, understanding what British democracy actually entails, would have been quite happy for a reversal. So, it might have a been a factor, but I think there were additional reasons for her losing her seat. She lost to the SNP who are also a remain party.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The two great evils of the twentieth century, antisemitism ans socialism, have been defeated! The political landscape has been redefined, Leave/Remain has affected how the seats have fallen! The working classes no longer vote for Labour! The rotten Parliament has been punished! Democracy in a action! Faith restored in the great British public!

Aw bless. With brightly lit uplands and unicorns as well, I expect.

Anyway, looks like interesting times ahead for the UK. At least stage one is now definitively over. The UK will, in some way, leave the EU. I'd suggest May's Boris's withdrawal agreement is the most like option. I watch with great disinterest. And must get more popcorn.

[Castro]

Lord forgive them

Dennis Skinner lost the seat he had held for well over 40 years. Absolutely devastating. Awful. Awful day.

[Raffles]

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	Dennis Skinner lost the seat he had held for well over 40 years. Absolutely devastating. Awful. Awful day.

I remember Skinner from the beginning, never thought I would see him out.

[k_and_e]

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	Good to see the British people are also daft enough to fall for the Trump playbook.

Trump won because his rival was a candidate that was hated even more.
BoJo won because his rival was a candidate that was hated even more.
It's really losing by an own goal.

[st2lemans]

Congratulations UK!

Tom

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	marton
	On a less optimistic note, we now have a government willing to accept crashing out of the EU on “WTO rules”.

I believe the complete opposite will happen. Despite the lies and the slurs, Boris is no hard right-winger nor is he a hard Brexiteer. He has won such a majority now that he will be able to throw the ERG under a bus. Which is a concern for people like me because I don't believe he will be able to negotiate a good deal by the end of 2020. With this majority the ERG can't hold him to account so I expect the UK will end up accepting a deal that is worse than remaining in the EU. No deal is now off the table.

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	I guess all it shows is that the electorate has been wooed by the dazzling spending promised by the Tories. Let’s see how much of it was true or you might find yourself in your socialist dystopia come the next election. Or maybe you’ll still live here where it won’t actually matter to you.

No, the electorate voted for Boris Johnson because of Brexit. Every lost parliament vote, every legal case, every time John Bercow stuck 2 fingers up to Parliamentary process, the great stoic British public waited knowing that this moment was coming. And now they have spoken! The likes of Anna Soubrey, David Gauke, Dominic Grieve have all lost their seats. They've learned the very important lesson that in a representative democracy, if you don't represent your electorate, you soon find yourself out of a job!

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	Dennis Skinner lost the seat he had held for well over 40 years. Absolutely devastating. Awful. Awful day.

He supported a leader that turned his back on the working classes. What did you expect? I voted for Tony Blair in 1997, my old parents have voted Labour their entire lives but despise Corbyn and everything he stands for. They voted Conservative yesterday. The great Alan Johnson says it how it is.

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1205284227895496704

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	No, the electorate voted for Boris Johnson because of Brexit. Every lost parliament vote, every legal case, every time John Bercow stuck 2 fingers up to Parliamentary process, the great stoic British public waited knowing that this moment was coming. And now they have spoken! The likes of Anna Soubrey, David Gauke, Dominic Grieve have all lost their seats. They've learned the very important lesson that in a representative democracy, if you don't represent your electorate, you soon find yourself out of a job!

So the manifesto with all the billions of spending and promises was just window dressing and nobody will give two hoots if nothing changes as regards the NHS, police, education and other public spending? People won't care if they still have to make ends meet by using food banks?

Just so long as they stick up two fingers to the EU, that's enough for them as they are scratching around for a last tin of sardines to feed their kids.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	…. No, the electorate voted for Boris Johnson because of Brexit. Every lost parliament vote, every legal case, every time John Bercow stuck 2 fingers up to Parliamentary process, ….

Was it Bercow who was the subject of a unanimous ruling by the UK Supreme Court that he broke the law regarding parliamentary process?

asking for a friend.

[TonyClifton]

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	So the manifesto with all the billions of spending and promises was just window dressing and nobody will give two hoots if nothing changes as regards the NHS, police, education and other public spending? People won't care if they still have to make ends meet by using food banks? Just so long as they stick up two fingers to the EU, that's enough for them as they are scratching around for a last tin of sardines to feed their kids.

This is the fourth election in a row that Labour have been unable to convince people that own cars, iPhones and 55 inch TVs that they live in abject poverty and that the country is on its knees. This election was not won on Brexit alone, but given the result it was by far the most important factor.

[Mikers]

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	So the manifesto with all the billions of spending and promises was just window dressing and nobody will give two hoots if nothing changes as regards the NHS, police, education and other public spending? People won't care if they still have to make ends meet by using food banks? Just so long as they stick up two fingers to the EU, that's enough for them as they are scratching around for a last tin of sardines to feed their kids.

That will matter of course, I don't think Tony is trying to express the entire manifesto he's pointing out one of the main causes. People had voted for brexit - they had made a decision - and Parliament went into this mode of operation that it was "ok" to keep defeating the government and stop it. they were insulated inside this bubble of politics and not realized that as they blethered on , on question time, people were really properly getting annoyed about it. Look at the vote - loads and loads of labour voters switched to tory in the north. primary reason: they wanted brexit.

You add to that, the libdem's complete disregard for democracy announcing they will stop brexit on day 1 and not suprisingly the british people, who have a sense of fairness, think thats just not on, its undemocratic.

The question now is correct - will the tories actually help the needy, and like lots of people I worry it wont. Remember its the people that are voting. so its not really saying "boris johnson doesnt care about poor people" its saying "half the country doesnt care about the poorer in society". what that says about our society I dont know, but it certainly isnt good.

Corbyn got what was coming for him, so did Swinson. It's just a pity the winner is Boris Johnson.

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The two great evils of the twentieth century, antisemitism ans socialism, have been defeated! The political landscape has been redefined, Leave/Remain has affected how the seats have fallen! The working classes no longer vote for Labour! The rotten Parliament has been punished! Democracy in a action! Faith restored in the great British public!

If Leave/Remain was such a big factor then how to explain seats like Newcastle on Tyne that voted 68% Leave but Labour retained their seat.
Would be nice to see a comparison of Leave/Remain results with this election place by place; or as near as possible because the geography is not identical.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	No, the electorate voted for Boris Johnson because of Brexit. Every lost parliament vote, every legal case, every time John Bercow stuck 2 fingers up to Parliamentary process, the great stoic British public waited knowing that this moment was coming. And now they have spoken!

You mean English.

See you efter.