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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 13.12.2019, 10:26
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If Leave/Remain was such a big factor then how to explain seats like Newcastle on Tyne that voted 68% Leave but Labour retained their seat.
Would be nice to see a comparison of Leave/Remain results with this election place by place; or as near as possible because the geography is not identical.
We should look at the big picture, and I believe it is clear that people are completely fed up with the uncertainty that has been going on around Brexit and blame Corbyn for this. And where Corbyn offers nothing more or less than more uncertainty it is Boris who offers a way out of this.

Imagine two boxes:

One holds 50 cents, and the other one might hold a pound but might also bite your hand off. In which box would you put your hand?
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The question now is correct - will the tories actually help the needy, and like lots of people I worry it wont. Remember its the people that are voting. so its not really saying "boris johnson doesnt care about poor people" its saying "half the country doesnt care about the poorer in society". what that says about our society I dont know, but it certainly isnt good.
I agree with this. People were faced with a choice - Brexit or improve the wealth of the poorest. The choice was Brexit.

So now the UK will be cut adrift from its biggest trading partner and have a massive shopping list of expensive development to carry out. Or they just carry on as they were; allowing the government to line the pockets of the wealthy and sod the rest.
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We should look at the big picture, and I believe it is clear that people are completely fed up with the uncertainty that has been going on around Brexit and blame Corbyn for this. And where Cobyn offers nothing more or less than more uncertainty it is Boris who offers a way out of this.

Imagine two boxes:

One holds 50 cents, and the other one might hold a pound but might also bite your hand off. In which box would you put your hand?
One tells you it holds 50 cents, but on every other occasion has been lying.
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It's truly frightening. IMO.
What is frightening is how out of touch you & your friends are.
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I agree with this. People were faced with a choice - Brexit or improve the wealth of the poorest. The choice was Brexit.
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I think they thought by voting Tory both could be achieved.
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Old 13.12.2019, 10:34
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DUP Westminster leader Nigel Dodds has also lost their seat to Sinn Fein, the seat had been in the hands of one or other of the unionist parties since before partition.

Brexit won no seats; so much for kingmaker Farage.

Corbyn will stand down.

Boris's partner Carrie Symonds is released from the backroom and stands next to him.
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Today is the day that Remain became Rejoin. Hallelujah!!!
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I think they thought by voting Tory both could be achieved.
Well that was the drum that BoJo was drumming. Let's just wait and see if he manages to fulfill all those expensive promises without the tax hikes. Like it says in his manifesto.
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What is frightening is how out of touch you & your friends are.
And the point of this lovely little sentence is? Or is that one of them there personal attacks that "isn't" if certain folk say it?

If you had any clue at all of the daily struggle somw folk have you wouldn't be so ridiculous in your trolling attempt.

I could say the same about you, of course. I doubt you've ever encountered poverty in your life.
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ach. maybe it won't be so bad, we know BoJo has a caring side, remember that time that tramp was freezing and BoJo took a 50 pound note from his pocket and burned it just to give the tramp some heat, selfless the man is.
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And the point of this lovely little sentence is? Or is that one of them there personal attacks that "isn't" if certain folk say it?

If you had any clue at all of the daily struggle somw folk have you wouldn't be so ridiculous in your trolling attempt.

I could say the same about you, of course. I doubt you've ever encountered poverty in your life.
I believe many of your friends don't want an argument with you so let you live in an echo chamber to make you happy.

This is the 4th election that Labour have not been able to convince the owners of cars, iPhones, 55 inch TV's they are subject to abject poverty.

You could say the same about me, however that would be foolish as I have been proved right time & time again in this thread when you have been wrong every time. It's about accepting defeat.
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I believe many of your friends don't want an argument with you so let you live in an echo chamber to make you happy.

This is the 4th election that Labour have not been able to convince the owners of cars, iPhones, 55 inch TV's they are subject to abject poverty.

You could say the same about me, however that would be foolish as I have been proved right time & time again in this thread when you have been wrong every time. It's about accepting defeat.
Just trying to imagine how much squealing and hand-wringing there would have been from the Tory boys on EF had Labour won last night.

I'm sure you would have rolled over and accepted it like a good boy, right? Not a peep would have been uttered, right?

The result is clear but it doesn't mean that people have to like it, do they? Maybe you should rein in the personal attacks on people when you have no idea how this government will affect them personally.

Maybe you should also accept that people have different views and circumstances to you. If everyone thought like you, there wouldn't be one seat that wasn't blue in parliament today.
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I believe many of your friends don't want an argument with you so let you live in an echo chamber to make you happy.

This is the 4th election that Labour have not been able to convince the owners of cars, iPhones, 55 inch TV's they are subject to abject poverty.

You could say the same about me, however that would be foolish as I have been proved right time & time again in this thread when you have been wrong every time. It's about accepting defeat.



Believe whatever you want flower, it does not make it true.

By the way, that's another personal attack.
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Accept, Change or Move

You cannot change the outcome now so you have two choices:

Accept it or move...but presumably you're already in Switzerland so er, not sure where I'm going with this

But seriously, those are your three options in life, often not all available.
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Accept, Change or Move

You cannot change the outcome now so you have two choices:

Accept it or move...but presumably you're already in Switzerland so er, not sure where I'm going with this

But seriously, those are your three options in life, often not all available.
Who are you directing this at?
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Best video of the night .. Wee Jimmy Sturgeon celebrating the defeat of Jo Swinson..

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9244946.html


A resounding defeat for the rich, elitist, socialist snowflake luvvies like Lily Alan and Hugh Grant .. Fantastic.
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A resounding defeat for the rich, elitist, socialist snowflake luvvies like Lily Alan and Hugh Grant .. Fantastic.
Jesus wept, is this really what it's about? Sticking it to the celebs?

Good job everyone is keeping a healthy sense of realism, isn't it?
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Accept, Change or Move

You cannot change the outcome now so you have two choices:

Accept it or move...but presumably you're already in Switzerland so er, not sure where I'm going with this

But seriously, those are your three options in life, often not all available.
You can't change yesterday but you can prepare for the next. No government is forever, the fight to change this one starts today.
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Jesus wept, is this really what it's about? Sticking it to the celebs?

Good job everyone is keeping a healthy sense of realism, isn't it?
It is 2019, celebrity support is becoming more and more important.
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Interesting BBC graphic that supports the view Labour's big problem was Corbyn, not only Brexit.

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Actually it's nothing new, particularly in UK politics. Famous people have nailed their colours to the mast during election campaigns for years and years.
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