Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #25301  
Old 13.12.2019, 11:45
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,209
Groaned at 160 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 7,332 Times in 3,353 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
This is the 4th election that Labour have not been able to convince the owners of cars, iPhones, 55 inch TV's they are subject to abject poverty.
There's over 14 million people living in poverty in the UK. Love the way you completely dismiss them.

https://fullfact.org/economy/poverty...s-and-figures/
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank baboon for this useful post:
  #25302  
Old 13.12.2019, 11:46
Jim2007's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Kt. Bern
Posts: 4,211
Groaned at 199 Times in 156 Posts
Thanked 6,721 Times in 3,027 Posts
Jim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
That's a lesson for her in life, don't say you'll reverse a democratic vote unilaterally.
There is nothing undemocratic about proposing a course of action and seeking a mandate to carry it out. That is how change happens in a democracy.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Jim2007 for this useful post:
  #25303  
Old 13.12.2019, 11:47
V__ V__ is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 1,347
Groaned at 321 Times in 173 Posts
Thanked 1,441 Times in 681 Posts
V__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

It must have been the Russians again
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank V__ for this useful post:
  #25304  
Old 13.12.2019, 11:58
Jim2007's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Kt. Bern
Posts: 4,211
Groaned at 199 Times in 156 Posts
Thanked 6,721 Times in 3,027 Posts
Jim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond reputeJim2007 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
There's over 14 million people living in poverty in the UK. Love the way you completely dismiss them.
Well unless you believe the result happened by voter fraud, a large portion of those people voted Tory.... How they will feel after seeing the reality of BREXIT in the coming months and years remain to be seen. Will Boris deliver their dreams? I doubt it, but then I also doubt Labour will be in a better position by the next election either.
Reply With Quote
  #25305  
Old 13.12.2019, 11:58
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,209
Groaned at 160 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 7,332 Times in 3,353 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
What is frightening is how out of touch you & your friends are.


I think they thought by voting Tory both could be achieved.
Out of touch? Do you realise 56.4% DIDN'T vote for the Tories? About 54% voted for parties that were either pro remain or at least a second referendum?

Only the perverted UK electoral system could deliver this result and then have the PM crow about his mandate. From the popular vote he doesn't have one.
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank baboon for this useful post:
  #25306  
Old 13.12.2019, 12:00
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,209
Groaned at 160 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 7,332 Times in 3,353 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
...a large portion of those people voted Tory....
I don't know that, neither do you. One way or the other.
Reply With Quote
  #25307  
Old 13.12.2019, 12:01
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,433
Groaned at 171 Times in 119 Posts
Thanked 4,818 Times in 1,862 Posts
Mikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
There is nothing undemocratic about proposing a course of action and seeking a mandate to carry it out. That is how change happens in a democracy.
Fortunately a good set of British people do see it as an attempt at distorting democracy rather than enforcing it, so voted her out. It's great when people see through people trying to pull the wool over their eyes.
Reply With Quote
  #25308  
Old 13.12.2019, 12:02
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,433
Groaned at 171 Times in 119 Posts
Thanked 4,818 Times in 1,862 Posts
Mikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Out of touch? Do you realise 56.4% DIDN'T vote for the Tories? About 54% voted for parties that were either pro remain or at least a second referendum?

Only the perverted UK electoral system could deliver this result and then have the PM crow about his mandate. From the popular vote he doesn't have one.
ta daaaaaaaaaaaaa! and there it is. We are about, perhaps 3 hours into our new term and the first instance of "He doesnt have a mandate" is out of the blocks.
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank Mikers for this useful post:
  #25309  
Old 13.12.2019, 12:06
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,209
Groaned at 160 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 7,332 Times in 3,353 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
ta daaaaaaaaaaaaa! and there it is. We are about, perhaps 3 hours into our new term and the first instance of "He doesnt have a mandate" is out of the blocks.
Shame that it's true, isn't it.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank baboon for this useful post:
  #25310  
Old 13.12.2019, 12:11
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,433
Groaned at 171 Times in 119 Posts
Thanked 4,818 Times in 1,862 Posts
Mikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Shame that it's true, isn't it.
Not a shame at all really. Means you can stand on your little soap box like the bloke on Life of Brian telling passers by your version of democracy according to your specific logic of voting.

Fortunately the public believe in fairness.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank Mikers for this useful post:
  #25311  
Old 13.12.2019, 12:16
Troublawesome's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Zug
Posts: 1,102
Groaned at 244 Times in 142 Posts
Thanked 1,191 Times in 525 Posts
Troublawesome is considered knowledgeableTroublawesome is considered knowledgeableTroublawesome is considered knowledgeable
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Shame that it's true, isn't it.
You lost, deal with it. Don't be a sore loser.

I'm also in favour of Remain but give credit when it's due. The Tories have sweeped the nation and eliminated all their enemies: BXP, Labour and LD altogether.

They smashed it. Boris and Trump understand what the people want to hear and give it to them in spades, the other parties don't.

Like Greece went through adolescence with Tsipras, Italy with Salvini and Hungary with Orban now the UK needs to have it's playtime with the biggest populist ever, even bigger than Trump in my book. My bet is he'll do unspeakable harm to the country but he'll have at least 2 terms easily, the crowds love him.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Troublawesome for this useful post:
  #25312  
Old 13.12.2019, 12:19
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,209
Groaned at 160 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 7,332 Times in 3,353 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Not a shame at all really. Means you can stand on your little soap box like the bloke on Life of Brian telling passers by your version of democracy according to your specific logic of voting.

Fortunately the public believe in fairness.
So your definition of fairness is that 43% get to dictate to the majority?

Fortunately I live in a country that has a fair electoral system.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank baboon for this useful post:
The following 2 users groan at baboon for this post:
  #25313  
Old 13.12.2019, 12:20
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
You lost, deal with it. Don't be a sore loser.

I'm also in favour of Remain but give credit when it's due. The Tories have sweeped the nation and eliminated all their enemies: BXP, Labour and LD altogether.

They smashed it. Boris and Trump understand what the people want to hear and give it to them in spades, the other parties don't.

Like Greece went through adolescence with Tsipras, Italy with Salvini and Hungary with Orban now the UK needs to have it's playtime with the biggest populist ever, even bigger than Trump in my book. My bet is he'll do unspeakable harm to the country but he'll have at least 2 terms easily, the crowds love him.
I think this must be an easier thing to say than it will be to live in it. It's probably very different if you're outside the UK.

Lots of seemingly malicious glee in this thread now. It's a shame.

I'm a realist, this is the result we must accept, however it doesn't stop my worry about where we go from here. There is very much an air of gloom where I live.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #25314  
Old 13.12.2019, 12:21
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,209
Groaned at 160 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 7,332 Times in 3,353 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
You lost, deal with it. Don't be a sore loser.
Nothing to do with sore loser. I have often commented on here in the past about the idiotic UK electoral system and I'm not going to suddenly accept it now.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank baboon for this useful post:
  #25315  
Old 13.12.2019, 12:27
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,433
Groaned at 171 Times in 119 Posts
Thanked 4,818 Times in 1,862 Posts
Mikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
So your definition of fairness is that 43% get to dictate to the majority?

Fortunately I live in a country that has a fair electoral system.
my definition of fairness is that the conservatives won with 369 seats giving them a majority in the house of commons.

I don't like the conservatives, but the conservatives won, fairly.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Mikers for this useful post:
  #25316  
Old 13.12.2019, 12:27
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Yesterday I was scrolling through fire-breathing FB posts about how a Labour vote would be worse than kicking a puppy to death, and Labour voters were basically sub-intelligent and sub-human.

Today, those same people are posting vomit-inducing "let's all move forward together in peachy peace and harmony" memes with rainbows, hearts and fluff.

Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #25317  
Old 13.12.2019, 12:29
Ace1's Avatar
A modal singularity
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Morgins, VS (and Alsace)
Posts: 8,705
Groaned at 352 Times in 225 Posts
Thanked 14,722 Times in 6,401 Posts
Ace1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
There's over 14 million people living in poverty in the UK. Love the way you completely dismiss them.

https://fullfact.org/economy/poverty...s-and-figures/
I love web sites like that. Here's a snippet, about the definition of "poverty"
Quote:
The definition used by a number of international organisations (such as the UN and the World Bank) is that you cannot afford the basic needs of life—food, clothing, shelter and so on.

A new way of measuring poverty

One of the most comprehensive measures of poverty on offer at the moment is produced by the Social Metrics Commission (SMC).
...
They found that in 2017/18:

An estimated 14.3 million people are in poverty in the UK
Which translates roughly as "Yes, there's a standard definition but we're going to ignore it and use our own, so we can just make up our own numbers".

That they sucker people into believing and quoting their stats is not something I love though, except when it makes refuting an argument ludicrously easy.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Ace1 for this useful post:
The following 2 users groan at Ace1 for this post:
  #25318  
Old 13.12.2019, 12:31
lewton's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Hamburg, Deutschland
Posts: 626
Groaned at 41 Times in 35 Posts
Thanked 786 Times in 448 Posts
lewton is considered knowledgeablelewton is considered knowledgeablelewton is considered knowledgeable
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
No result is a winner for me, but main bit ive picked up is Swinson has lost her seat! That's a lesson for her in life, don't say you'll reverse a democratic vote unilaterally.
LOL, yeah.
Because nothing screams "get Brexit done" more than switching your vote from her to the SNP.
You are just seeing what you want to see.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank lewton for this useful post:
  #25319  
Old 13.12.2019, 12:36
baboon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rheintal
Posts: 4,209
Groaned at 160 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 7,332 Times in 3,353 Posts
baboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond reputebaboon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
I love web sites like that. Here's a snippet, about the definition of "poverty"

Which translates roughly as "Yes, there's a standard definition but we're going to ignore it and use our own, so we can just make up our own numbers".

That they sucker people into believing and quoting their stats is not something I love though, except when it makes refuting an argument ludicrously easy.
Before you diss it perhaps you should look at what they are actually doing. The old UK definition was an over-simple anyone below 60% of average income. The new definition takes more account of individual circumstances, increases numbers in some areas but decreases in others.

It might interest you to learn the SMC was "established by the Baroness Stroud, a Tory peer and the head of the Legatum Institute, a think tank which has taken a very pro-Brexit line in recent years and has strong links with the Christian wing of the Conservative Party."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8541571.html
__________________
You live and learn. At any rate, you live.
Reply With Quote
The following 7 users would like to thank baboon for this useful post:
  #25320  
Old 13.12.2019, 12:48
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
I love web sites like that. Here's a snippet, about the definition of "poverty"

Which translates roughly as "Yes, there's a standard definition but we're going to ignore it and use our own, so we can just make up our own numbers".

That they sucker people into believing and quoting their stats is not something I love though, except when it makes refuting an argument ludicrously easy.
Smug comments like this make me feel ill. Maybe some folk on here should spend time working with those who live below the poverty line than perhaps they wouldn't be so glib. But it is EF, after all. It's easy to forget that those numbers represent real people. Real children.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
europe




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 5 (0 members and 5 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Latest Referendum, what will be consequences for EU (C permit and B permit) holders? expat2014 Permits/visas/government 3 11.02.2014 08:59
Importing vehicles and the VAT consequences in Switzerland from France BEFO Finance/banking/taxation 6 07.08.2013 15:11
The (Available in CH) Dog Food Review Thread meloncollie Pet corner 44 08.05.2012 20:15
Common-law marriage and consequences in CH Mishto Family matters/health 9 01.10.2011 22:03
Something for the Brits: M&S in CH mark Daily life 11 15.11.2007 12:18


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 17:39.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0