The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	Ace1
	I love web sites like that. Here's a snippet, about the definition of "poverty" Which translates roughly as "Yes, there's a standard definition but we're going to ignore it and use our own, so we can just make up our own numbers". That they sucker people into believing and quoting their stats is not something I love though, except when it makes refuting an argument ludicrously easy.

They sound like horrific fact twisting monsters, don't they...

Their measure:

• Accounted for all material resources, not just incomes. For instance, this meant including an assessment of the available liquid assets that families have;
• Accounted for the inescapable costs that some families face, which make them more likely than others to experience poverty. These include the extra costs of disability, costs of childcare and rental and mortgage costs; and
• Broadened the approach of poverty measurement to include an assessment of overcrowding in housing and those sleeping rough.

[John William]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	You lost, deal with it. Don't be a sore loser. I'm also in favour of Remain but give credit when it's due. The Tories have sweeped the nation and eliminated all their enemies: BXP, Labour and LD altogether. They smashed it. Boris and Trump understand what the people want to hear and give it to them in spades, the other parties don't. Like Greece went through adolescence with Tsipras, Italy with Salvini and Hungary with Orban now the UK needs to have it's playtime with the biggest populist ever, even bigger than Trump in my book. My bet is he'll do unspeakable harm to the country but he'll have at least 2 terms easily, the crowds love him.

What !! no mention of the SNP.

Except for Scotland where they were virtually wiped out by the SNP !!

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	baboon
	There's over 14 million people living in poverty in the UK. Love the way you completely dismiss them. https://fullfact.org/economy/poverty...s-and-figures/

Very few of whom voted labour

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Very few of whom voted labour

How do you know?

[fatmanfilms]

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	How do you know?

Basic arithmetic

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Basic arithmetic

Go on...

[greenmount]

You can say that the Labour screwed it big time. Maybe they'll see what they did wrong?
It would be interesting to see how many votes of the Remainers went to Tories and why. It was such a tight score for the referendum, what happened in the meantime?
I know, the propaganda from before the Referendum still went on. But there must be something else too. I hope both Labour and LibDem will take a deep look in the mirror and see what the heck has happened there because looking at the numbers from the referendum and what people voted yesterday......it doesn't make any sense.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Basic arithmetic

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	Go on...

Basic guesswork, then...

[Swiss Cheddar]

Boris is the first PM to get a majority vote since Tony Blair.


That was 22 years ago!!!




cheers
SC

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Troublawesome
	You lost, deal with it. Don't be a sore loser. I'm also in favour of Remain but give credit when it's due. The Tories have sweeped the nation and eliminated all their enemies: BXP, Labour and LD altogether. They smashed it. Boris and Trump understand what the people want to hear and give it to them in spades, the other parties don't. Like Greece went through adolescence with Tsipras, Italy with Salvini and Hungary with Orban now the UK needs to have it's playtime with the biggest populist ever, even bigger than Trump in my book. My bet is he'll do unspeakable harm to the country but he'll have at least 2 terms easily, the crowds love him.

Easier said than done?

Sounds like telling them to grow a thicker skin, please try to raise a bit above the cliches!

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Basic arithmetic

Is "arithmetic" also a yoofemizm for 'guess"?

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	Is "arithmetic" also a yoofemizm for 'guess"?

I suspect all 14m were too busy drinking Moet et Chandon on their chaises longues, watching their 8k 85inch TVs to vote.

[omtatsat]

So Brits. Start packing. Your marching orders have come!

[TonyClifton]

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	Smug comments like this make me feel ill. Maybe some folk on here should spend time working with those who live below the poverty line than perhaps they wouldn't be so glib. But it is EF, after all. It's easy to forget that those numbers represent real people. Real children.

It's funny you know, because for years now what I read on forums like this one, various social media websites and what Jeremy Corbyn has described is a situation and country that is completely alien to the one where I live. Jeremy Corbyn has described, a country divided between billionaires and the very poor, the predators and the prey, is basically a country that doesn't exist.

Given we've had now the forth result which rejects this version of Britain, I would politely suggest it is you who should perhaps spend some time among normal working class people. Some real people.

[TonyClifton]

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	You mean English. See you efter.

The Welsh?

[John_H]

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	I suspect all 14m were too busy drinking Moet et Chandon on their chaises longues, watching their 8k 85inch TVs to vote.

Yeah labour were doing great, miles ahead on all of the exit polls, until 6pm, when the tory voters finished work :-)

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	It's funny you know, because for years now what I read on forums like this one, various social media websites and what Jeremy Corbyn has described is a situation and country that is completely alien to the one where I live. Jeremy Corbyn has described, a country divided between billionaires and the very poor, the predators and the prey, is basically a country that doesn't exist. Given we've had now the forth result which rejects this version of Britain, I would politely suggest it is you who should perhaps spend some time among normal working class people. Some real people.

But you clearly haven't lived in the UK for quite some time, have you? And if/when you did I'll wager it was in a lovely middle class bubble. There's nothing wrong with that, it's a nice place to live and raise your kids in. But there are countless other not-so-nice places where girls have to take time off school each month because they cannot afford basic sanitary items. Kids who don't have coats, who don't get hot meals outside of term times. If anyone is crass enough to make a joke about any of those things then shame on them.


There is nothing polite about what you are insinuating. You have no idea where I live. Where I have worked. What I do. What I have seen and experienced. You're just making condescending comments because you seem to enjoy making them at anyone who stands up for their own views - when those views do not coincide with yours.

You are either trolling for the craic or really have swallowed the Tory money shot hook, line and sinker. Tell me how the real world is, according to you. I'm agog.

[TonyClifton]

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	Just trying to imagine how much squealing and hand-wringing there would have been from the Tory boys on EF had Labour won last night. I'm sure you would have rolled over and accepted it like a good boy, right? Not a peep would have been uttered, right? The result is clear but it doesn't mean that people have to like it, do they? Maybe you should rein in the personal attacks on people when you have no idea how this government will affect them personally. Maybe you should also accept that people have different views and circumstances to you. If everyone thought like you, there wouldn't be one seat that wasn't blue in parliament today.

You are correct, we live in a democracy and its is your right to complain about the result. At least we can finally put all this nonsense of a second referendum talk to bed though!

I must admit in recent weeks I seriously thought I would have to put my body on the line and stand and fight the anti-Semitic Labour supporters were they to win. True Brits would always stand up for the rights our Jewish minority! The wave of relief when that exit poll was announced was was simply something else. I LOVE MY COUNTRY!!

	Quote:	greenmount
	what happened in the meantime?

Jeremy Corbyn is what happened.

While becoming a person hated by many his main campaign issue what that he mostly promised uncertainty for unknown lengths of time.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	You are correct, we live in a democracy and its is your right to complain about the result. At least we can finally put all this nonsense of a second referendum talk to bed though! I must admit in recent weeks I seriously thought I would have to put my body on the line and stand and fight the anti-Semitic Labour supporters were they to win. True Brits would always stand up for the rights our Jewish minority! The wave of relief when that exit poll was announced was was simply something else. I LOVE MY COUNTRY!!

Ah. I get it. You're Truman Burbank. Explains a lot.


So, no understanding of the real UK at all then. It's ok. You can say it.