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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Better Together's main campaign was that leaving the union would force Scotland out of the EU - you can see over 50 out of 59 seats in Scotland were won by pro-EU / anti-Brexit parties.

Hopefully that Better Together lie will come back to haunt them.
That sounds....surrealistic?
Wow. You can really tell people the biggest lies and they'll believe....

Edit: Nicola's victory speech

What a nice lady!

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That sounds....surrealistic?
Wow. You can really tell people the biggest lies and they'll believe....

Edit: Nicola's victory speech

What a nice lady!

If this GE has taught us anything, it's that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will start to accept it as fact.
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Why? Croatia didn't. Nor Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Sweden.
Bulgaria has it's currency fixed against the Euro, not really any difference than having the Euro introduced. Croatia is in the process of introducing the Euro.

The others I don't know, but there definitely is a push throughout the EU to have the Euro in as many countries as possible.
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For those who wanted a second referendum - you just had it with a "Get Brexit Done!" vote.

Even toff remainer Heseltine admits it's all over:
The Churchill in me will never surrender, especially given a referendum and election campaign based on lies, smear and disinformation. This wasn't a victory of ideas, it was a wholesale conjob. Hopefully Labour can rebuild with a unity candidate and finally start holding these bloody Tories to account. We may have lost the Brexit argument, but no way will they turn my country into a Singapore-on-Thames.

On an unrelated note, I am so glad to see our Scouse cousins hold firm. The red wall may have fallen, but Merseyside bucked the trend by retaining all 14 of their Labour MPs as distrust of the conservatives runs deep and nobody reads The Sun
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People forget that Scotland does not need to join the EU to achieve it's objectives - it could join EFTA and access the EU market via the EEA agreement the same as Norway...

Also the UK does not own the pound, it can't stop Scotland from using it as it's currency if it wanted to. Also Ireland used the pound up to 1978, having a second central bank operating the same currency and a government issuing bonds in same currency did create issues with resulted in both central banks having to coordinate their operations.
Which was long before the Euro existed (2002) so yeah, that was definitely no problem then.

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Why not?

Campione uses the CHF (and Swiss license plates, even the police), and they are part of Italy (which is in the EU).

Tom
Thanks, interesting.
I just thought if an EU country uses the currency of a non-EU country - doesn't that muck up all statistics?

Actually, Campione is in a very similar situation like NI (geographically), so why not take it's solutions as an example?
Just a Sunday morning thought, I di not think this through yet
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the lack of self awareness is remarkable...

If only they could learn ... Perhaps then they may then one day see how they've gotten this so wrong...[/COLOR][/FONT]
These bits are accurate. For those who voted Tory. IMO.

You really do spout the most incredible amount of guff. Do you practise reciting this with a tear in your eye? Needs work.
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The Churchill in me will never surrender, especially given a referendum and election campaign based on lies, smear and disinformation.
Can you use someone else? Churchill was a Conservative most of his life.

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Hopefully Labour can rebuild with a unity candidate and finally start holding these bloody Tories to account. We may have lost the Brexit argument.
I do find it slightly ironic that you chose to live and work in a country that is neither in the E.U. (through a public vote) and nor is run on Marxist principles.
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I do find it slightly ironic that you chose to live and work in a country that is neither in the E.U. (through a public vote) and nor is run on Marxist principles.
I thought he moved for the chocolate and cheese, like everybody else.
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Why? Croatia didn't. Nor Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Sweden.
Very good point. As with many such matters, the EU has habit of only applying its own rules where it sees fit! Denmark and the UK are the only countries with official opt outs, the rest are expected to join the Euro eventually. It's a legal requirement for new member states joining the EU.
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One thing that the SNP is not explaining very well is that if Brexit is a bad thing because all those bonds and connections that have grown over the last decades are dissolved, how then can dissolving all those bonds that have grown over centuries be a good thing? If a hard border between NI and the Republic of Ireland is a bad thing, how can a hard border between Scotland and England be a good thing? If queues of lorries in Dover are a bad thing, why are queues of lorries in Berwick a good thing? Scotland probably does more trade with England than with any other country. Do they want to sacrifice that? What about all the Scots who seek employment in England?

Scottish independence may be a nice romantic notion, and I can see where they are coming from. But I'd like to see the SNP explain how all the things they were opposing until now will suddenly be good for Scotland.
Its just a drum for the SNP. As has been pointed out, EFTA membership could solve a number of potential issues, indeed as it could for the UK too. The SNP hasn't mentioned EFTA though, they keep talking about remaining in the EU as they think it gives them hope of a second indy ref.

There remains little appetite for Indy Ref 2 and neither independence in Scotland. Their deficit is simply too big. They enjoy lavish spending on public services together with the fact they don't have to pay for it (spending in Scotland is 13.6% higher per head and tax revenue collected 2.6% lower than the UK average).

Is that a reason not to have independence? No, as Brexit proved, economic arguments are not decisive. The difference with Brexit it though, where there are many unknowns, there is simply no getting away from the Scottish deficit. Simply put, if they carried as they are now, they would soon go bust without the rest of the UK.
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..... there is simply no getting away from the Scottish deficit. Simply put, if they carried as they are now, they would soon go bust without the rest of the UK.
But they'd have the EU then and they may well consider that safer.
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But they'd have the EU then and they may well consider that safer.
The EU didn't look after Greece's deficit. Scotland would be no different. It's all hypothetical anyhow, Scotland are remaining in the UK for the foreseeable future.
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Can you use someone else? Churchill was a Conservative most of his life.
I am very comfortable invoking one of the founding fathers of the EU, and his Remain-leaning grandson.

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Sir Nicholas said: "The last thing on earth Churchill would have been would have been an isolationist - to want to stand apart from Europe right now at a difficult time.

"There is something awfully un-British, in my view, about wanting to leave. I think we stay. I think 'Non' he would not think it is a good thing to leave. 'Oui', I think he would have wanted to stay."
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But they'd have the EU then and they may well consider that safer.
Actually if Scotland were in the EU they’d have to comply with the Fiscal Compact... even Italy had to adjust their budget to meet the guidelines.
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I am very comfortable invoking one of the founding fathers of the EU, and his Remain-leaning grandson.
I think you could argue that NATO served and continues to serve the purpose of Churchill's vision of a United Europe for peace.

Indeed, the first Secretary General of NATO was Churchill's chief military assistant during WWII.

It was continued peace in Europe which Churchill wanted and not straight bananas.
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It was continued peace in Europe which Churchill wanted and not straight bananas.
Crikey, I thought most intelligent people had now figured out that that was another of Boris' whoppers.

This is still as much of a lie as it was when the tabs intentionally misrepresented it 25 years ago.

Straight out of the Trump and Boris playbook - tell a lie enough and people will start to believe it.
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Crikey, I thought most intelligent people had now figured out that that was another of Boris' whoppers.
What's Boris got to do with what Churchill wanted?
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Actually if Scotland were in the EU they’d have to comply with the Fiscal Compact... even Italy had to adjust their budget to meet the guidelines.
The French didn't. They were above 3% for 9 years in a row.
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For any British people who may be interested...

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