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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 13.12.2019, 22:38
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And for the sake of balance
They are not mutually exclusive.

No community should ever have to live in existential fear. And no minority community's fears should be dismissed.

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Old 13.12.2019, 22:39
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Up until election day polls said that the gap was narrowing between the two big parties.

The result is very different. FPTP obviously played a role, but how did the pollsters get it so wrong?
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There's nothing funny about the existential fear that has set in in the Jewish community due to the vitriol and hatred that has emanated from some in Labour.

Please read this 53-page report before you blow this off so lightly:
https://www.scribd.com/document/4383...on-to-the-EHRC

If you're not going to read it, please don't dismiss Jewish people's legitimate fear of what a Corbyn premiership could have meant. I direct this also the person who called concern about antisemitism 'irrelevant' and 'deathly dull'.
You are misunderstanding what I referred to as ‘funny’

I’m not ‘antisemitic’ nor ‘anti’ any religion. They’re all equally shit; all 3000+ of them but I wouldn’t want anyone who is loved up with whichever religion they choose to be prevented from worshipping it or whatever they want to do.

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Old 13.12.2019, 23:35
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They are not mutually exclusive.

No community should ever have to live in existential fear. And no minority community's fears should be dismissed.
Please my dear, don’t take this place as a barometer for the feeling in then United Kingdom! We have won! The terrible scourge of Jeremy Corbyn and his Labour Party has been lifted from our backs! Shalom Shabbat and may the Lord bless the Jews of Great Britain!
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Old 14.12.2019, 00:15
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I’m not ‘antisemitic’ nor ‘anti’ any religion.
You don't know what antisemitism is (hint: it's not an anti religious feeling)
Tou ignore/dismiss antisemitic tendencies in the Labour party.


There used to be a British politician with simlar traits. but he didn't have an opinion about brexit. not a coherent one, anyway.
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There's an awful lot of intolerant assumptions coming from some folk who clearly view themselves as the defenders of, well, tolerance I suppose.

Or is it a case of tolerating only those things that fit into a narrow world view?

I'm just glad you live in CH.
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You don't know what antisemitism is (hint: it's not an anti religious feeling)
Tou ignore/dismiss antisemitic tendencies in the Labour party.


There used to be a British politician with simlar traits. but he didn't have an opinion about brexit. not a coherent one, anyway.
I’m not ignoring anything.

The point you are repeatedly missing is that people in the UK cast their vote for the Tories for a whole palette of reasons not just because of antisemitism in the Labour party. Just because it seems to be haunting YOUR thoughts morning, noon and night doesn’t mean the same for other people.

As a parallel example, it has been shouted down countless times on here that apparently not everyone voted to Leave the EU because of what they read on the side of a bus.

Not everyone votes for the same reasons. Sorry if that’s a massive shock to you.
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They are not mutually exclusive.

No community should ever have to live in existential fear. And no minority community's fears should be dismissed.
You do realise these are just empty words, given the context. EU citizens fear whatever BJ/his gang's policies might bring to them, ask everyone around. All of them - new EU, old EU. So to heck with all those few millions of Europeans working and living in the UK. (and for the record, only a tiny part are in temporary seasonal jobs)
I get it, we're all equal but some more equal than the others. Quelle surprise! I would have never......

"Politically, we don't count"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...r-future-in-uk
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-free-movement

So please, spare this discourse for someone more....naive. At least my friends got their British citizenship a few years ago, before this mess and the nazi style campaign against immigrants.

And for those who denied there was no association/link between BJ and Farage (seriously?)

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/01/trum...-alliance.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG759cXZiX4

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Old 14.12.2019, 12:48
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You do realise these are just empty words, given the context. EU citizens fear whatever BJ/his gang's policies might bring to them, ask everyone around. All of them - new EU, old EU. So to heck with all those few millions of Europeans working and living in the UK. (and for the record, only a tiny part are in temporary seasonal jobs)
Well, maybe the Romanian government might do well to actually serve its people and go to Brussels and bring their fist down on the EU table and tell them to negotiate a deal that looks out for Romanian interests, not just German and French ones.

But oh yes, because they get money from Germany they don't do that, but just vote as Merkel tells them. And somehow that is Boris' fault.
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Old 14.12.2019, 13:52
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Up until election day polls said that the gap was narrowing between the two big parties.

The result is very different. FPTP obviously played a role, but how did the pollsters get it so wrong?
Voters are like politicians - they tell you what they think you want to hear... often referred to as a lie!

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I would like to believe that his antisemitic tendencies cost him votes.
So would I - and I believe they did, in that it was one of the many contributing factors to Labour's defeat. Perhaps people are more decent than some here would have us believe.
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Old 14.12.2019, 15:16
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So would I - and I believe they did, in that it was one of the many contributing factors to Labour's defeat. Perhaps people are more decent than some here would have us believe.
I guess we can sit up all night speculating. In my opinion it may have been a contributing factor. But if this was the case you might expect the Lib Dems to have cashed in on the disssatisfaction and made massive gains at Labour's expense (as the SNP did).

I think this was a positive vote for Boris and not a negative one against Corbyn.
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Old 14.12.2019, 15:22
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For those who wanted a second referendum - you just had it with a "Get Brexit Done!" vote.

Even toff remainer Heseltine admits it's all over:

https://news.sky.com/story/general-e...ctory-11886157
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I guess we can sit up all night speculating. In my opinion it may have been a contributing factor. But if this was the case you might expect the Lib Dems to have cashed in on the disssatisfaction and made massive gains at Labour's expense (as the SNP did).

I think this was a positive vote for Boris and not a negative one against Corbyn.
Yes, I agree - the scale of the win shows how positive it was, but Labour's failure to recognise its lack of appeal to ordinary people helped as well. As for the Lib Dems, what were they offering - abolition of Brexit. That clearly wasn't what most voters wanted.
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For those who wanted a second referendum - you just had it with a "Get Brexit Done!" vote.

Even toff remainer Heseltine admits it's all over:

https://news.sky.com/story/general-e...ctory-11886157
The fun is only beginning... large majority parties usually brings with it a lot of internal disagreement and five years is only enough to get one or to good deals done, but with the UK applying zero tariffs on imports from February, no one will be in a hurry to do a deal with the UK.
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Time to bury the hatchet and admit defeat for all Remainers, it's done. First on a referendum and now with a GE, the people have voted in supermajority to Leave and that's what going to happen.

Now focus should be on a good collaboration with the EU and law alignment, not a gung-ho approach of Singapore-on-Thames which means the EU will see you as a competitor and wipe you out.

Boris should pass his deal first thing on Monday or Tuesday and then tell the EU to bring the date forward, no need to wait until Jan 31st. UK should leave as soon as the deal is signed, Jan 1st is probably a great publicity stunt to mark the year as 'liberated'.
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Yes, I agree - the scale of the win shows how positive it was, but Labour's failure to recognise its lack of appeal to ordinary people helped as well. As for the Lib Dems, what were they offering - abolition of Brexit. That clearly wasn't what most voters wanted.
In your opinion. Most voters didn't vote Conservative.
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Well, maybe the Romanian government might do well to actually serve its people and go to Brussels and bring their fist down on the EU table and tell them to negotiate a deal that looks out for Romanian interests, not just German and French ones.

But oh yes, because they get money from Germany they don't do that, but just vote as Merkel tells them. And somehow that is Boris' fault.
I was talking about all EU citizens - links provided. And I think Brussels will try to negotiate what's best for all. That's the wonderful thing of being part of the EU, you know. But thanks for making it personal? It's not.
(they are not the only ones who got or get money "from Germany", so that is neither here nor there)....I think in these times is more important than ever that EU will have an only one and stronger voice. And I think they will.

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Time to bury the hatchet and admit defeat for all Remainers, it's done. First on a referendum and now with a GE, the people have voted in supermajority to Leave and that's what going to happen.

Now focus should be on a good collaboration with the EU and law alignment, not a gung-ho approach of Singapore-on-Thames which means the EU will see you as a competitor and wipe you out.

Boris should pass his deal first thing on Monday or Tuesday and then tell the EU to bring the date forward, no need to wait until Jan 31st. UK should leave as soon as the deal is signed, Jan 1st is probably a great publicity stunt to mark the year as 'liberated'.
Do you have the impression that "Remainers" didn't admit "defeat"?

Now people discuss how and why people voted the way they voted....and Labour party has to also blame themselves.

I think BJ wants a hard Brexit at any cost, so you're dreaming about "good collaboration". The sad part is that people don't realise now that they don't have any reason to be happy about the no-deal project.. That won't mean back to independence.

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I am non EU, thus the pro EU arguments are worthless to me.

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I am non EU, thus the pro EU arguments are worthless to me.

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Neither are you from the UK. So Brexit arguments are what, useful?
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