The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[fatmanfilms]

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	I'm also sure that May and Thatcher got there on merit, too. FMF seems to think they were just "given a chance" to do the job. Ironically, that seems to be why BoJo is in his role but perhaps that's another story. He was a shit foreign secretary so let's try him out as the PM. .

Ted heath thought he would retain his leadership, it was only when Mrs Thatcher put herself forward.... Ted Heath withdrew from the second ballot giving Mrs Thatcher a chance.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Diane Abbot would be my preferred candidate, give a woman a chance, Labour have never had a woman when the Conservatives have had 2. Learn from your opponents.

A chance? FFS. I get the impression you delight in being contrary but this is ridiculous even by your standards.


Jess Phillips would be my choice.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Who do you want to succeed him ? I'd like to see Angela Raynor, Jess Philips but ideally Yvette Cooper.

I sincerely wish he would leave office immediately because the next 6 weeks are crucial, but no! He'll be spending it navel gazing in 'reflection'. His vanity infuriates me no end. He should have gone years ago.

I was reading yesterday that McDonnell's top picks would be Rebecca Long-Bailey and Angela Rayner. Personally, I wouldn't touch either of them with a barge pole, particularly Long-Bailey who I wouldn't even have as a manager let alone a party leader. Rayner would be fine as a minister with a narrow remit that she can totally run, but I think she's a good few years from having the maturity to build bridges cross party.

I'm not sold on Keir Starmer. Keep trying to like him and get under the skin of the man, but nah. The Ian Tomlinson case still clouds my opinion of him.

My home town MP, Lisa Nandy, is also being touted by some, and whilst she's a lovely woman who cares passionately about people, I don't think she's reached the leadership level of maturity just yet. She got an incredible amount of flak for speaking out against Corbyn in 2016 in an interview alongside Owen Smith, who went on to challenge Corbyn in a leadership contest, however, everyone I know personally who was critical of her (ranting on about deselection, etc) has done a 180 after meeting her. In Wigan, she's very visible and approachable, so people do have the opportunity to meet and speak with her. She's an old fashioned jobbing MP and I believe she'd be a fantastic minister (again).

If you want a proper little firebrand with vast intelligence and experience, go for Angela Eagle.

My top pick would have been Tom Watson, but in his notable absence, Yvette Cooper or Jess Phillips and I would have brought Owen Smith back into a shadow cabinet position, but along with Watson, he stood down.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-wales...reaks-my-heart

	Quote:	Tom1234
	Marton's cleared that one up. There's no smoke without fire. Why do you think the banana story came into being? In 2008, an EU that regulated the shape of fruit (but not bananas specifically) was scrapped when it was discovered that a fifth of European fruit was being thrown away as it didn't meet the criteria. It's all here on the EU website. (IP/08/1964) That the law was passed in the first place was pretty disgusting. So Jim Lad, who's writing bollocks now? I rather think it's you.

There is an EU law that categorizes the shape of bananas, but it certainly does not regulate the shape of them - you can still sell and eat any shaped banana you want, it will just be labelled class 1, 2 etc.

When Boris (et al) say that the EU dictates you can't eat / buy bendy bananas and you swallow it wholesale and regurgitate it all over these pages, then yes, you're going to get pulled up on the nonsense.

Seriously, 2 mins on Google will tell you all you need to know about this.

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	When Boris (et al) say that the EU dictates you can't eat / buy bendy bananas and you swallow it wholesale and regurgitate it all over these pages, then yes, you're going to get pulled up on the nonsense.

Wasn't that all part of his bullshit articles in the Daily Telegraph, along with a load of other cobblers about the EU back when he was a bored correspondent cooking up fictitious rules and regs, as well as deliberately misinterpreting others? Bans on prawn-cocktail crisps and extra sucky vacuum cleaners?

Back in the day when fake news was riotously funny.

[Tom1234]

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	There is an EU law that categorizes the shape of bananas, but it certainly does not regulate the shape of them - you can still sell and eat any shaped banana you want, it will just be labelled class 1, 2 etc. When Boris (et al) say that the EU dictates you can't eat / buy bendy bananas and you swallow it wholesale and regurgitate it all over these pages, then yes, you're going to get pulled up on the nonsense. Seriously, 2 mins on Google will tell you all you need to know about this.

If you had spend 30 seconds bothering to read my post you would realise that the banana farce, which was a joke, came about as the result of a real EU law (which they got rid off) which meant that 1/5 of fruit in the EU was destroyed.

Seriously.

	Quote:	Tom1234
	If you had spend 30 seconds bothering to read my post you would realise that the banana farce, which was a joke, came about as the result of a real EU law (which they got rid off) which meant that 1/5 of fruit in the EU was destroyed. Seriously.

Really weak cop out, that. Stand by what you write (Churchill didn't want straight bananas) with a bit of intellectual honesty.

I'm sure if you didn't mean it, you'd have said Churchill didn't want a destruction of 20% of EU fruit - you are generally a very fastidious man.

[Blueangel]

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	When Boris (et al) say that the EU dictates you can't eat / buy bendy bananas and you swallow it wholesale and regurgitate it all over these pages, then yes, you're going to get pulled up on the nonsense.

It's a type of brainwashing and misinformation. You could also make a case for bananas, busses and bikes being the PM's catchphrases in a kind of "don't let facts get in the way of a good story" way.

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-...le-explanation

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ong-after-cla/

[Tom1234]

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	Really weak cop out, that. Stand by what you write (Churchill didn't want straight bananas) with a bit of intellectual honesty. I'm sure if you didn't mean it, you'd have said Churchill didn't want a destruction of 20% of EU fruit - you are generally a very fastidious man.

WTF? Seriously? You've lost me. I'll leave you to it.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I sincerely wish he would leave office immediately because the next 6 weeks are crucial, but no! He'll be spending it navel gazing in 'reflection'. His vanity infuriates me no end. He should have gone years ago.

I remember you were very critical of him on other threads and it looks like you were right all along.. I think his main issues were some of his views and not really the alleged anti-semitism...he's a bit too left-leaning for the UK IMHO.

	Quote:	Tom1234
	WTF? Seriously? You've lost me. I'll leave you to it.

Summary: Stop propagating nonsense and we're cool.

[amogles]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Diane Abbot would be my preferred candidate, give a woman a chance, Labour have never had a woman when the Conservatives have had 2. Learn from your opponents.

... and ensure labour remains unelectable for another election cycle or two?

In earnest, despite the entertainment of seeing Labour repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot, democracy requires a competent opposition and needs to be able to challenge the government on an eye to eye level.

If you can't have that, democracy becomes a farce.

I therefore wish that somebody competent steps into Corbyn's shoes.

[Tom1234]

	Quote:	amogles
	I therefore wish that somebody competent steps into Corbyn's shoes.

No one can step into his shoes while he's still wearing them.

	Quote:	Tom1234
	No one can step into his shoes while he's still wearing them.

I dunno, those clown shoes are pretty big!

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Diane Abbot would be my preferred candidate, give a woman a chance, Labour have never had a woman when the Conservatives have had 2. Learn from your opponents.

I really hope that was a joke

	Quote:	amogles
	... and ensure labour remains unelectable for another election cycle or two? In earnest, despite the entertainment of seeing Labour repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot, democracy requires a competent opposition and needs to be able to challenge the government on an eye to eye level. If you can't have that, democracy becomes a farce. I therefore wish that somebody competent steps into Corbyn's shoes.

Maybe the UK has to go through this comedy-politics phase we seem to be in (and let's face it, if we are honest, Johnson is just as bloody idiotic as Corbyn - he's just got a better PR machine papering over the cracks).

After the 10 years of crippling austerity followed by the Brexit mess, had there been a semi-competent Labour leader on offer, the UK electorate would have jumped at the chance to change things, but here we are.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	I really hope that was a joke

Why should this be a joke? It’s been talked about for a long time that the next Labour leader should be a woman. Stephen Kinnock has today said so too.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Why should this be a joke? It’s been talked about for a long time that the next Labour leader should be a woman. Stephen Kinnock has today said so too.

the Diane Abbot bit

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	amogles
	... and ensure labour remains unelectable for another election cycle or two? In earnest, despite the entertainment of seeing Labour repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot, democracy requires a competent opposition and needs to be able to challenge the government on an eye to eye level. If you can't have that, democracy becomes a farce. I therefore wish that somebody competent steps into Corbyn's shoes.

It’s not going to happen though unless the membership changes! Also, it’s not as if there’s a long list of candidates who are able to step up to the task. Of the current runners and riders I don’t see anyone there to bother Boris Johnson which is a shame. The biggest threat Boris Johnson faces is himself!

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	It’s not going to happen though unless the membership changes! Also, it’s not as if there’s a long list of candidates who are able to step up to the task. Of the current runners and riders I don’t see anyone there to bother Boris Johnson which is a shame. The biggest threat Boris Johnson faces is himself!

Oh Jess Phillips or Yvette Cooper would bother him quite a bit, I reckon.