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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 15.12.2019, 00:34
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But for good measure you also applied for the Swiss pass?
That has other (personal) reasons.
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Old 15.12.2019, 01:31
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IScotland will leave the EU with the rest of us at the end of January. This means that should they ever wish to rejoin the EU they will need to accept the Euro.
Why? Croatia didn't. Nor Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Sweden.
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Old 15.12.2019, 01:49
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Why? Croatia didn't. Nor Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Sweden.
But they got their own money. Scottland is using the pound.

If Lichtenstein joined the EU, I actually wonder if they could keep using the Swiss Frank. And they are not even connected to us like Scottland and GB.
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Old 15.12.2019, 02:44
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Scotland has been looking into establishing it's own currency since 2014.
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Old 15.12.2019, 03:08
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Why? Croatia didn't. Nor Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Sweden.
Won't all these countries eventually have to join up though? The Uk being a special exception (I think along with Denmark) due to having been in the EU before the Euro was invented.

If the UK (or any part thereof) quits and rejoins later, I guess such grandfathered rights will be lost.
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Old 15.12.2019, 03:13
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But they got their own money. Scottland is using the pound.

If Lichtenstein joined the EU, I actually wonder if they could keep using the Swiss Frank. And they are not even connected to us like Scottland and GB.
Same situation as with the Isle of Man, Channel Islands etc.
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Old 15.12.2019, 03:25
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You are conveniently ignoring N. Ireland who seem to be somehow staying in the EU?
And when (not if) they hold a border poll, the UK (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) will cease to exist in any case, something poor Tony forgets. And NI has an automatic right to immediately join the EU at that point, a concession obtained by Ireland at the start of this game.
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Old 15.12.2019, 03:30
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If the UK (or any part thereof) quits and rejoins later, I guess such grandfathered rights will be lost.
The treaty makes it very clear that there is no such thing as rejoicing... any application will be treated as a new application subject to all the standard requirements, which might even require the UK to have a written constitution to meet the democracy criteria.
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Old 15.12.2019, 04:08
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But they got their own money. Scottland is using the pound.

If Lichtenstein joined the EU, I actually wonder if they could keep using the Swiss Frank. And they are not even connected to us like Scottland and GB.
Scotland has its own money, the Scottish pound. All they need to do is eliminate the need to back the Scottish pound with Bank of England banknotes, which would leave it being backed by gold.

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Old 15.12.2019, 06:13
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Scotland has its own money, the Scottish pound. All they need to do is eliminate the need to back the Scottish pound with Bank of England banknotes, which would leave it being backed by gold.

People forget that Scotland does not need to join the EU to achieve it's objectives - it could join EFTA and access the EU market via the EEA agreement the same as Norway...

Also the UK does not own the pound, it can't stop Scotland from using it as it's currency if it wanted to. Also Ireland used the pound up to 1978, having a second central bank operating the same currency and a government issuing bonds in same currency did create issues with resulted in both central banks having to coordinate their operations.
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Old 15.12.2019, 09:37
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Scotland has its own money, the Scottish pound. All they need to do is eliminate the need to back the Scottish pound with Bank of England banknotes, which would leave it being backed by gold.
Pre-Bretton Woods agreement? That would be interesting.


But anyway, I don't think the Scottish will go that far with the independence. I'm curious what their autonomy entails them in regards with international agreements. Not much I suppose.

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People forget that Scotland does not need to join the EU to achieve it's objectives - it could join EFTA and access the EU market via the EEA agreement the same as Norway...

Also the UK does not own the pound, it can't stop Scotland from using it as it's currency if it wanted to. Also Ireland used the pound up to 1978, having a second central bank operating the same currency and a government issuing bonds in same currency did create issues with resulted in both central banks having to coordinate their operations.
I suppose they'd still need to become independent and I don't see that as a real possibility. But I might be totally wrong. I read that Nicola Sturgeon was talking about a new referendum, why does she think it will turn out differently? I don't get it. The result was clear last time they were asked - not that long ago. The pro-union votes won by a reasonable margin if I remember correctly. If people's unhappiness with Brexit will continue to grow, maybe.....in a few years? But not so soon.

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Old 15.12.2019, 10:37
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Pre-Bretton Woods agreement? That would be interesting.


But anyway, I don't think the Scottish will go that far with the independence. I'm curious what their autonomy entails them in regards with international agreements. Not much I suppose.



I suppose they'd still need to become independent and I don't see that as a real possibility. But I might be totally wrong. I read that Nicola Sturgeon was talking about a new referendum, why does she think it will turn out differently? I don't get it. The result was clear last time they were asked - not that long ago. The pro-union votes won by a reasonable margin if I remember correctly. If people's unhappiness with Brexit will continue to grow, maybe.....in a few years? But not so soon.
Better Together's main campaign was that leaving the union would force Scotland out of the EU - you can see over 50 out of 59 seats in Scotland were won by pro-EU / anti-Brexit parties.

Hopefully that Better Together lie will come back to haunt them.
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Old 15.12.2019, 10:43
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If Lichtenstein joined the EU, I actually wonder if they could keep using the Swiss Frank.
Why not?

Campione uses the CHF (and Swiss license plates, even the police), and they are part of Italy (which is in the EU).

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Better Together's main campaign was that leaving the union would force Scotland out of the EU - you can see over 50 out of 59 seats in Scotland were won by pro-EU / anti-Brexit parties.

Hopefully that Better Together lie will come back to haunt them.
That sounds....surrealistic?
Wow. You can really tell people the biggest lies and they'll believe....

Edit: Nicola's victory speech

What a nice lady!

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Old 15.12.2019, 11:47
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That sounds....surrealistic?
Wow. You can really tell people the biggest lies and they'll believe....

Edit: Nicola's victory speech

What a nice lady!

If this GE has taught us anything, it's that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will start to accept it as fact.
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Why? Croatia didn't. Nor Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Sweden.
Bulgaria has it's currency fixed against the Euro, not really any difference than having the Euro introduced. Croatia is in the process of introducing the Euro.

The others I don't know, but there definitely is a push throughout the EU to have the Euro in as many countries as possible.
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For those who wanted a second referendum - you just had it with a "Get Brexit Done!" vote.

Even toff remainer Heseltine admits it's all over:
The Churchill in me will never surrender, especially given a referendum and election campaign based on lies, smear and disinformation. This wasn't a victory of ideas, it was a wholesale conjob. Hopefully Labour can rebuild with a unity candidate and finally start holding these bloody Tories to account. We may have lost the Brexit argument, but no way will they turn my country into a Singapore-on-Thames.

On an unrelated note, I am so glad to see our Scouse cousins hold firm. The red wall may have fallen, but Merseyside bucked the trend by retaining all 14 of their Labour MPs as distrust of the conservatives runs deep and nobody reads The Sun
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People forget that Scotland does not need to join the EU to achieve it's objectives - it could join EFTA and access the EU market via the EEA agreement the same as Norway...

Also the UK does not own the pound, it can't stop Scotland from using it as it's currency if it wanted to. Also Ireland used the pound up to 1978, having a second central bank operating the same currency and a government issuing bonds in same currency did create issues with resulted in both central banks having to coordinate their operations.
Which was long before the Euro existed (2002) so yeah, that was definitely no problem then.

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Why not?

Campione uses the CHF (and Swiss license plates, even the police), and they are part of Italy (which is in the EU).

Tom
Thanks, interesting.
I just thought if an EU country uses the currency of a non-EU country - doesn't that muck up all statistics?

Actually, Campione is in a very similar situation like NI (geographically), so why not take it's solutions as an example?
Just a Sunday morning thought, I di not think this through yet
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If only they could learn ... Perhaps then they may then one day see how they've gotten this so wrong...[/COLOR][/FONT]
These bits are accurate. For those who voted Tory. IMO.

You really do spout the most incredible amount of guff. Do you practise reciting this with a tear in your eye? Needs work.
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