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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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no, now is the most important time to keep it open! Boris Johnson has announced a vote on the EU withdrawal bill on friday. Then his government will press on with brexit. So finally, after 3 years the thread should actually move forward, i.e. brexit will happen and the discussion can be around it. whereas previously it's been just babbling on arguing about it.

There definitely should be one on the labour leadership though. that was a straight out hijack by me, I couldnt resist.
So Brexit will happen the way Boris wanted to happen. Given all the feedback so far, from some Brexiters and Remainers alike, it won't be pleasant and it won't be what most or many people want. It looks like twisting the knife in the wound.
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Old 16.12.2019, 22:15
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You know you're missing the point, yes? Or no. Bless.
I saw what she responded to and there really wasn't much of a point there; just something accusing someone of being materialistic, because naturally if you are in any way fiscally productive or responsible then you must be a handmaiden to the whores of Mammon or something equally profound. Yawn.
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... because naturally if you are in any way fiscally productive or responsible then you must be a handmaiden to the whores of Mammon or something equally profound. Yawn.
Crikey. That's a job description they don't advertise at school. Is the pension decent?
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Old 16.12.2019, 22:28
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Unfortunately, I don't possess a crystal ball or fortune telling abilities so I could hardly claim something would happen until it actually happened.

What breakdown in democracy exactly? Representative democracy or direct democracy?

All you ever care about is how many digits are in your bank accounts.
You don't need a crystal ball just to be someone with some common sense to work it out. It's been obvious for months if not years. I know you believe that the little people don't know what they are voting for BIG mistake.

17.4 million people voted for something to happen, MP's ignored this vote, they paid the price & now we have a government that will carry out the wishes of those 17.4 million.

I don't hold much cash, you must be speaking about risk averse people, I invest in equities & don't really care about daily valuations.
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Old 16.12.2019, 22:29
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just something accusing someone of being materialistic
something vs. someone, hmm, interesting choice of words. Blueangel is something but fatmanfilms is someone. Good.

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because naturally if you are in any way fiscally productive or responsible then you must be a handmaiden to the whores of Mammon or something equally profound. Yawn.
No, but even if you are fiscally productive or responsible, you don't need to be interested only in money. I guess that was the accusation.


@Mikers,

Do you still believe it's a good idea not to have this thread closed? Just saying...
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I saw what she responded to and there really wasn't much of a point there; just something accusing someone of being materialistic, because naturally if you are in any way fiscally productive or responsible then you must be a handmaiden to the whores of Mammon or something equally profound. Yawn.
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something vs. someone, hmm, interesting choice of words. Blueangel is something but fatmanfilms is someone. Good.



No, but even if you are fiscally productive or responsible, you don't need to be interested only in money. I guess that was the accusation.


@Mikers,

Do you still believe it's a good idea not to have this thread closed? Just saying...
I think I might kill myself if we close this thread. It’s become such a piece of my daily life that without I will descend into heroin addiction and ultimately death.

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Old 16.12.2019, 22:39
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I think I might kill myself if we close this thread. It’s become such a piece of my daily life that without I will descend into heroin addiction and ultimately death.

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You're funny.
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Old 16.12.2019, 22:42
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Everyone should worry about that here. This is a very expensive country.
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I think I might kill myself if we close this thread. It’s become such a piece of my daily life that without I will descend into heroin addiction and ultimately death.

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Old 16.12.2019, 22:54
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I saw what she responded to and there really wasn't much of a point there; just something accusing someone of being materialistic, because naturally if you are in any way fiscally productive or responsible then you must be a handmaiden to the whores of Mammon or something equally profound. Yawn.
And that's a huge assumption about myself, my beliefs and my circumstances. It's one thing to be fiscally productive and another to have it handed to you on a plate. It's one thing to be fiscally responsible and another to be so to the detriment of others and devoid of any air of altruism.
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Old 16.12.2019, 22:59
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You don't need a crystal ball just to be someone with some common sense to work it out. It's been obvious for months if not years. I know you believe that the little people don't know what they are voting for BIG mistake.

17.4 million people voted for something to happen, MP's ignored this vote, they paid the price & now we have a government that will carry out the wishes of those 17.4 million.

I don't hold much cash, you must be speaking about risk averse people, I invest in equities & don't really care about daily valuations.
"the little people" ?
Who exactly do are you referring to with that phrase?
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Old 16.12.2019, 23:02
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You don't need a crystal ball just to be someone with some common sense to work it out. It's been obvious for months if not years. I know you believe that the little people don't know what they are voting for BIG mistake.

17.4 million people voted for something to happen, MP's ignored this vote, they paid the price & now we have a government that will carry out the wishes of those 17.4 million.

I don't hold much cash, you must be speaking about risk averse people, I invest in equities & don't really care about daily valuations.
Strange things numbers! 13.9 million people voted for Boris so a large chunk of your 17.4 million seems not so interested anymore in something happening.
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Not a criticism, an observation! You know, like the ones you make! Too many exclamation marks rob the writing of actual impact!

If you think emojis would assist in that regard, sure.

It's not clear. It's your view. If you didn't write in grandiose-sounding sound bites and actually said something instead that didn't sound like a smug admonishment, I'd be more inclined to listen to you. You're banging on about the treatment of the Jewish population. Again. Why? What on earth is the point you are trying to make?

Phillips and Cooper have spoken out about anti-Semitism, Phillips has been very critical of Corbyn.

Your calling those three politicians naive apathetic cowards speaks volumes about you. I really don't think you know much about them at all. They must just come under the heading of "not Tory" I suppose.
Are you a teacher or something?! I'll write how I like, if you don't like it then that's your problem!

I'm talking about antisemitism again, because it's one of the reason's that Labour lost. Nor should it ever be forgotten how close the country came to having a hard left antisemetic party in power, nor the enablers that allowed it happen!

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Maybe just start off with avoiding trying to pass off your opinion as fact?
Maybe you should learn to distinguish facts from personal analysis. I am clear when I present facts, and I hope it's also clear when I'm presenting my analysis of what I believe is taking place. I said that I believed Labour was out of touch with its working class routes, and the election has proven that to be the case.

If you have a problem with what I'm saying then speak up! Don't just come with the weak argument that I'm presenting opinion as facts. I'm happy to debate if you are.
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I am clear when I present facts, and I hope it's also clear when I'm presenting my analysis of what I believe is taking place. I said that I believed Labour was out of touch with its working class routes, and the election has proven that to be the case.

If you have a problem with what I'm saying then speak up!
Speaking up, as requested.

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Well you’re the one repeatedly derailing a thread about Brexit with your mithering about Jeremy Corbyn. Why don’t you open a thread about it if you’re so obsessed?

I thought it was ‘Brexit means Brexit’ not ‘Brexit means Corbyn’.
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Maybe you should learn to distinguish facts from personal analysis. I am clear when I present facts, and I hope it's also clear when I'm presenting my analysis of what I believe is taking place. I said that I believed Labour was out of touch with its working class routes, and the election has proven that to be the case.
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That wouldn't be so bad i.e. presenting opinions or what you consider to be facts, if you didn't try to shut down any opinion that wasn't tuned to yours. This is what you've been called out for, repeatedly. You and a couple others. You can dismiss people's opinions not even bothering to actually read their posts but that won't make you an authority on the subject of Brexit here (or anything else, as a matter of fact). This is a very strong-willed crowd and little do they care about anyone's sense of entitlement&superiority or ego. Also a crowd that would like to discuss ideas more than discuss people.

Since the mods can't be convinced to close this thread, at least for the moment, maybe you should also try to bring more positivity here.

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I don't hold much cash, you must be speaking about risk averse people...
Assuming that you hold certain opinion because you have cash is on its own discriminatory. Especially when everybody knows you are a self made person who started oh his own, being a kid and from less than a scratch. I know what it feels like though my investments were not financial, couldn't be.

Having political opinion isn't linked to how much cash one has, but how his deductive skills are. If one cannot deduce and all we read are affective appeals..or statements such as "look at all your cash", it shows certain logical pretext.

You aren't obligated to account to anyone here for your deductive competences, forward thinking, willingness to risk nor political affiliation only because you get impolitely snapped at.

I wonder how Brexit xmas will feel this year in the UK.
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You aren't obligated to account to anyone here for your deductive competences, forward thinking, willingness to risk nor political affiliation only because you get impolitely snapped at.
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Is he the only one who gets impolitely snapped at? Or why else do you insist making sure that only a selected few don't get impolitely snapped at.
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