The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

I woke up this morning to this:

Brexit has exposed Juncker’s democratic unaccountability

What did some of us say on this thread? Finally the focus is now going to be where it should. I am punching the air.. F' yeah! Come on! Brexit you're doing it, you beauties!!!

**Westminster and Brussels to blame

Brexit is a damning verdict on the elites of both Westminster and Brussels.

The EU institutions’ cowardly silence during the campaign and their decades-long “daddy knows best, don’t worry, leave it to us” attitude makes them complicit in this failure.**

I just sincerely hope the ordinary man, women and child of Britain do not pay too high a price for these failures pouring out now from Brexit; they've been ignored, used, beaten down and insulted - they've paid enough.

[Chuff]

	Quote:	marton
	"the normal decent thing in a democracy" is that the political parties involved do not lie through their teeth

Pretty sure you're more than old enough to know better than that.

There is hope...

[SOBEIT]

No chance, he has ginger hair.

[fatmanfilms]

Food for thought

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7102666.html

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Food for thought http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7102666.html

Exactly. Once everyone calms down (if they ever do ) then the real work will start. It's perfectly possible and could even lead the way to reforming the rest of the EU along looser lines.

I think this is another thing that has put people in all EU countries off the European dream.

"Brexit: France and Germany 'in agreement' over UK's EU exit"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36637232

Excuse me, but the EU has 28 members doesn't it, not 2? Yet France and Germany always come to the fore with their decisions on the path the EU is going to take. Other nations can't help but feel marginalised.

Fingers crossed we'll see that back of Osborne today.

[cyrus]

The pound dropped again, we'll start to see more consequences this week

[lewton]

Dear Brits, you never liked this party, we never liked having you in it, let's just trigger article 50 and get it done, OK?

[SOBEIT]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Fingers crossed we'll see that back of Osborne today.

Yeah, Gideon saying we were prepared for the unexpected, really!

[cyrus]

I'll give one thing to the leave campaign, they totaly got how marketing has changed.

[Patxi]

[lewton]

I have to say I am surprised the EUR hasn't dropped lower vs the CHF.
Does this mean that the markets are concerned a bit about Brexit's impact on Switzerland too?

[cyrus]

	Quote:	lewton
	I have to say I am surprised the EUR hasn't dropped lower vs the CHF. Does this mean that the markets are concerned a bit about Brexit's impact on Switzerland too?

I'm not, if i were a shrewd politician or business man in one of the poorer countries of the eu, i'd be hitting up every foreign business that trades to the eu from the uk.

[Slaphead]

	Quote:	lewton
	I have to say I am surprised the EUR hasn't dropped lower vs the CHF. Does this mean that the markets are concerned a bit about Brexit's impact on Switzerland too?

The SNB are busy at the moment trying to ensure the CHF doesn't go higher against the EUR.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	lewton
	I have to say I am surprised the EUR hasn't dropped lower vs the CHF. Does this mean that the markets are concerned a bit about Brexit's impact on Switzerland too?

Sure, the EU will have less money to spend in Switzerland if Britain leaves.

[lewton]

	Quote:	Slaphead
	The SNB are busy at the moment trying to ensure the CHF doesn't go higher against the EUR.

Buying euros again?

[bigblue2]

my facebook stream is full of leavers all gloating and saying things like the UK has got its identity back, and busily shouting down anyone who dares to disagree with them, yet I asked a simple question, exactly what do you think the UK will gain from leaving?

regain our boarders - errrrmmmm, you always had control over them??? you're an island ffs, you always had the power to deport law breakers of any nationality, the fact the courts / gov never exercised that right is nothing to do with the EU

350m to the NHS - errrrrmmmm, say what now? an awful lot of farmers are going to go bust then, not to mention all the money wales, cornwall, a lot of towns up north etc are going to lose, that 350m (and more) will be swallowed up, the nhs will get NOTHING

you want an EU trade deal do you? well, just look at the swiss deal, deal with us, open your boarders, so now you'll have even less control of your boarders, you'll be the EU's bitch, you're on the outside with no say, you just lost all your veto's

Oh and the UK car industry, good luck with that, I read the import tariff for cars outside the EU is 10%, the uk exported 1.2m cars last years, that's a shit load of money honda, toyota, mini, land rover etc will save making cars in the EU rather then the UK (not to mention paper work and cheaper work force) - and that's before you take into account EU trade deals with other countries. The german can manufactures must be rubbing there hands.

So can anyone here (you are a much better educated bunch) give me a concrete plus for leaving?

[cyrus]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	my facebook stream is full of leavers all gloating and saying things like the UK has got its identity back, and busily shouting down anyone who dares to disagree with them, yet I asked a simple question, exactly what do you think the UK will gain from leaving? regain our boarders - errrrmmmm, you always had control over them??? you're an island ffs, you always had the power to deport law breakers of any nationality, the fact the courts / gov never exercised that right is nothing to do with the EU 350m to the NHS - errrrrmmmm, say what now? an awful lot of farmers are going to go bust then, not to mention all the money wales, cornwall, a lot of towns up north etc are going to lose, that 350m (and more) will be swallowed up, the nhs will get NOTHING you want an EU trade deal do you? well, just look at the swiss deal, deal with us, open your boarders, so now you'll have even less control of your boarders, you'll be the EU's bitch, you're on the outside with no say, you just lost all your veto's Oh and the UK car industry, good luck with that, I read the import tariff for cars outside the EU is 10%, the uk exported 1.2m cars last years, that's a shit load of money honda, toyota, mini, land rover etc will save making cars in the EU rather then the UK (not to mention paper work and cheaper work force) - and that's before you take into account EU trade deals with other countries. The german can manufactures must be rubbing there hands. So can anyone here (you are a much better educated bunch) give me a concrete plus for leaving?

Although i'm not a fan of the finance service industry, the uk's relies a lot on trading in eur and britains position in the eu facilitated that, it makes a fair chunk of uks economy, though tbh, most don't benefit from it as we don't tax it so much, we just like the numbers to make us feel important.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	Oh and the UK car industry, good luck with that, I read the import tariff for cars outside the EU is 10%, the uk exported 1.2m cars last years, that's a shit load of money honda, toyota, mini, land rover etc will save making cars in the EU rather then the UK (not to mention paper work and cheaper work force) - and that's before you take into account EU trade deals with other countries. The german can manufactures must be rubbing there hands.

We buy more cars from Germany than reexport to the whole of the EU so the 10% tariff is unlikely.
With the £ fall of 10% UK cars will cost the same in Europe & EU cars will cost 20% more in the UK. Looks like that won't happen as the EU car makers will have to swallow the currency loss to stay competitive. More like rolling on the floor crying than rubbing their hands.