The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[fatmanfilms]

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	This. A thousand times this.

Although there are plenty of people with Jewish blood, some of whom changed their family names & religions during WW2 would not have voted for J.C.

When I pointed out earlier in the thread a lot of the UK press is owned by the above group of people it got deleted by a mod, quite sad IMHO.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Although there are plenty of people with Jewish blood, some of whom changed their family names & religions during WW2 would not have voted for J.C. When I pointed out earlier in the thread a lot of the UK press is owned by the above group of people it got deleted by a mod, quite sad IMHO.

None of the larger UK press outlets is owned by Jews, that is probably why - they were perhaps removing an accidental anti-semitic trope of yours that Jews control the media.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom

Barclay Brothers, Murdoch, Viscount Rothermere...all not Jewish.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Although there are plenty of people with Jewish blood, some of whom changed their family names & religions during WW2 would not have voted for J.C. When I pointed out earlier in the thread a lot of the UK press is owned by the above group of people it got deleted by a mod, quite sad IMHO.

The second part of your post is certainly a prime example of anti-semitism.


Maybe the wine is corked?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Wow, the first good word you have said about Johnson, I just spat my wine over my computer in shock!

I've never disputed his intelligence. I said as much pages and pages ago. I also think he's an amoralistic shit utterly devoid of empathy and anything close to a conscience. I think he's going to make awful, terrible messes for the majority of the people whether they voted for him or not. I think the haves will continue to have slightly more and the have nots will be left to rot.

Like I said, clever and dangerous. As are the demon spawn he surrounds himself with. HTH.


Edit: you appear to misunderstand what I was agreeing with. And no, the British media is not owned and controlled by Jewish people. That would be an antisemitic stereotype.

Edit again: hadn't seen StirB's or Greenmount's posts.

[fatmanfilms]

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	None of the larger UK press outlets is owned by Jews, that is probably why - they were perhaps removing an accidental anti-semitic trope of yours that Jews control the media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom Barclay Brothers, Murdoch, Viscount Rothermere...all not Jewish.

I believe Rupert Murdoch's mother was an Orthodox Jew, you will correct me if having a jewish mother is the required connection or not. I believe he is not the only one.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I believe Rupert Murdoch's mother was an Orthodox Jew, you will correct me if having a jewish mother is the required connection or not. I believe he is not the only one.

Two things....

Yes, Judiasm is passed on via the mother. However, if one has a Jewish father, they still have „Jewish blood“....what do you think —— they are chopped liver?

There does not seem to be a consensus on Murdoch‘s mother. This discussion suggests that there is insufficient evidence that she was Jewish.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3...doch/Archive_1

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	little people

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	When I pointed out earlier in the thread a lot of the UK press is owned by the above group of people it got deleted by a mod, quite sad IMHO.

Crikey! You're on a roll!

[fatmanfilms]

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	Two things.... Yes, Judiasm is passed on via the mother. However, if one has a Jewish father, they still have „Jewish blood“....what do you think —— they are chopped liver? There does not seem to be a consensus on Murdoch‘s mother. This discussion suggests that there is insufficient evidence that she was Jewish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3...doch/Archive_1

Having a Jewish father does not make someone Jewish, presumably thats because you can only be 100% sure who the mother was. OK DNA tests have changed that to those who have a test.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I believe Rupert Murdoch's mother was an Orthodox Jew, you will correct me if having a jewish mother is the required connection or not. I believe he is not the only one.

Given that a search for “jew” on his wiki page and that of his mother turns up zero results, I’m going to have to say nope.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Given that a search for “jew” on his wiki page and that of his mother turns up zero results, I’m going to have to say nope.

Very pleased to hear there is no logical reason for the media to hate the Labour Party, they just hate them due to lack of merit or credibility.

[marton]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	Boris is a genius, he's got rid of every single tory mp that disagreed with him, lost every vote he's tabled yet kept his job, got away with telling one of, if not the biggest lie in politics since "I've not had sexual relations with that women" and got away scottt free, turned a minority gov into a huge majority gov and got labour voters to elect tories, and no one seems to give a toss about his personal misdeeds, no one is that lucky by fluke

An alternative view is that his opposition was so crap that he was simply the least worst option.

For those people who claim the GE was all about Brexit, we see odd and so far unexplained results like Newcastle upon Tyne Central who had voted 68% for Brexit.
GE results
Labour 21,568, Vote share %: 57.6%
Conservative 9,290
Liberal Democrat 2,709
The Brexit Party 2,542

Lib Dems scored more votes than Brexit!
Labour retained the seat!

Comments welcomed

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Very pleased to hear there is no logical reason for the media to hate the Labour Party, they just hate them due to lack of merit or credibility.

It’s more likely to be an ‘illogical’ reason, knowing the media. Logic, facts and balance don’t sell or get clicks.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Very pleased to hear there is no logical reason for the media to hate the Labour Party, they just hate them due to lack of merit or credibility.

But the media does not hate Labour?
Daily
Daily Mirror – a mainstream newspaper which has consistently supported the Labour Party since the 1945 general election.[1]
The Morning Star – co-operative, reader-owned socialist newspaper. Britain's Road to Socialism, the programme of the Communist Party of Britain, underlies the paper's editorial stance. It was formerly the Daily Worker, before being renamed in 1966.
The News Line – from the Workers Revolutionary Party.
The Guardian – mainstream newspaper which has consistently supported centre-left politics, either reflected by the Labour Party or the Liberal Democrats.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Very pleased to hear there is no logical reason for the media to hate the Labour Party, they just hate them due to lack of merit or credibility.

Press or media? Come on, keep the story straight.

As regards the press, can you really not think of another reason why the right-wing press might dislike Corbyn?

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I believe Rupert Murdoch's mother was an Orthodox Jew, you will correct me if having a jewish mother is the required connection or not. I believe he is not the only one.

Murdoch once tweeted "Why is Jewish-owned press so consistently anti-Israel in every crisis?" So I doubt any claim that Murdoch's owned press was Jewish-owned press?

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Boris Johnson has got a massive majority now so he can just change the law if he sees fit. Remainers should have thought of that before the likes of Jo Maugham and Gina Miller went through their little pantomime in the courts. I mean Parliament is sovereign, right? We've been getting that rammed down our necks for the past 3 and half years, haven't we? The same goes for John Bercow for tearing up centuries of convention. We were all there warning of the implications of going down this road! Such was the fevor to stop Brexit that no one paid attention. Now providence has come to teach the Remainers a lesson in humility.

Nice to see you taking these laps of honour; hope you have time to enjoy them before the cold floods of reality engulf us all.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	marton
	An alternative view is that his opposition was so crap that he was simply the least worst option. For those people who claim the GE was all about Brexit, we see odd and so far unexplained results like Newcastle upon Tyne Central who had voted 68% for Brexit. GE results Labour 21,568, Vote share %: 57.6% Conservative 9,290 Liberal Democrat 2,709 The Brexit Party 2,542 Lib Dems scored more votes than Brexit! Labour retained the seat! Comments welcomed

I’m from Newcastle Marton. Newcastle votes labour. I wouldn’t base your analysis on one location.

[marton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	I’m from Newcastle Marton. Newcastle votes labour. I wouldn’t base your analysis on one location.

Exactly my point they voted Labour, not Brexit.

It would be interesting to see an analysis of other similar locations.

[Mikers]

	Quote:	marton
	Exactly my point they voted Labour, not Brexit. It would be interesting to see an analysis of other similar locations.

The results are public you can find them all over the shop.

[marton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	The results are public you can find them all over the shop.

But I need someone to put them together and to do the analysis.