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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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But I need someone to put them together and to do the analysis.
The Russians backed the Tories.
The EU backed Labour.
Nobody backed Farage.
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But I need someone to put them together and to do the analysis.
I did that as the results came in but deleted it.
I was concentrating in my neck of the woods, the north west of England, and what I found was that in many places, even where Labour did hold their seat, the Brexit Party were a solid 3rd place. What I read into that is that swathes of people who could never, ever vote Tory, felt that they could vote for the Brexit Party.

Just follow this link and look at these areas https://election.news.sky.com/snap-general-election-27

Wigan, Leigh, Makerfield, St Helens North, Bolton South East and Bolton North East all had a strong BXP 3rd place. Bolsover and Blyth Valley were the same.

The results for two neighbouring towns which I know all too well, make very interesting reading.

Wigan https://election.news.sky.com/genera...27/wigan-25203
Leigh https://election.news.sky.com/genera...27/leigh-24598

Leigh went Tory for the first time in 100yrs, and even though the percentage gain for BXP in Wigan was double that of Leigh, Wigan stayed Labour. That's down to one person, and one person alone, Lisa Nandy. I was talking to a longtime close friend last night about the beef between Emily Thornberry and Caroline Flint because I have a sneaking suspicion that Thornberry (if she did say it) may have been referring to Wigan. My mate said he'd ask Lisa next time he sees her as his son is in the same nursery class as Lisa's son and they often have a quick chat in the morning. 3yrs ago, the same guy wanted her deselected for speaking against Corbyn, but now, the sun shines out of her because she's present and visible about town. I'd seriously struggle to find any of my hometown friends and family who haven't met and/or spoken to Lisa Nandy. Between the 2015 and 2017 GEs, her percentage points went up 10% despite her being very pro Remain and a vocal critic of Corbyn in a heavily Labour Leave constituency. If she hadn't been a hard working MP and gained those 10 percentage points, she'd have gone too last week.

Now, Lisa's being touted as a possible party leader. I don't see it myself yet and would prefer to save her for another 5 or 10yrs time, but she gave a decent speech in the commons today.

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I did that as the results came in but deleted it.
I was concentrating in my neck of the woods, the north west of England, and what I found was that in many places, even where Labour did hold their seat, the Brexit Party were a solid 3rd place. What I read into that is that swathes of people who could never, ever vote Tory, felt that they could vote for the Brexit Party.

Just follow this link and look at these areas https://election.news.sky.com/snap-general-election-27

Wigan, Leigh, Makerfield, St Helens North, Bolton South East and Bolton North East all had a strong BXP 3rd place. Bolsover and Blyth Valley were the same.

The results for two neighbouring towns which I know all too well, make very interesting reading.

Wigan https://election.news.sky.com/genera...27/wigan-25203
Leigh https://election.news.sky.com/genera...27/leigh-24598

Leigh went Tory for the first time in 100yrs, and even though the percentage gain for BXP in Wigan was double that of Leigh, Wigan stayed Labour. That's down to one person, and one person alone, Lisa Nandy. I was talking to a longtime close friend last night about the beef between Emily Thornberry and Caroline Flint because I have a sneaking suspicion that Thornberry (if she did say it) may have been referring to Wigan. My mate said he'd ask Lisa next time he sees her as his son is in the same nursery class as Lisa's son and they often have a quick chat in the morning. 3yrs ago, the same guy wanted her deselected for speaking against Corbyn, but now, the sun shines out of her because she's present and visible about town. I'd seriously struggle to find any of my hometown friends and family who haven't met and/or spoken to Lisa Nandy. Between the 2015 and 2017 GEs, her percentage points went up 10% despite her being very pro Remain and a vocal critic of Corbyn in a heavily Labour Leave constituency. If she hadn't been a hard working MP and gained those 10 percentage points, she'd have gone too last week.

Now, Lisa's being touted as a possible party leader. I don't see it myself yet and would prefer to save her for another 5 or 10yrs time, but she gave a decent speech in the commons today.

The swing away from Labour was BIGGER in Wigan than in Leigh! 15.5%! Lisa Nandy managed to upset a bigger percentage of Labour voters than the sitting MP in Leigh! If the Brexit Party hadn’t split the leave vote she would have come within a whisker if losing her seat!

Lisa Nandy was hopeless in the last Parliament, she kept on saying to Mrs May, “I’ll vote for your withdrawal agreement if you...”, then Theresa May would oblige and Lisa Nandy still voted consistently along party lines and against it.
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This election wasn’t a referendum. Remainers will have voted for Leave parties, Leavers will have voted for Labour.
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The Russians backed the Tories.
The EU backed Labour.
Nobody backed Farage.
I only heard people talking about tactical voting to block the Tories, perhaps the silent majority voted Tory as a tactical vote to get BREXIT done as they had voted leave at the referendum.
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This election wasn’t a referendum. Remainers will have voted for Leave parties, Leavers will have voted for Labour.
Due to all the lies did anyone even know what they were voting for?
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The swing away from Labour was BIGGER in Wigan than in Leigh! 15.5%! Lisa Nandy managed to upset a bigger percentage of Labour voters than the sitting MP in Leigh!
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Leigh went Tory for the first time in 100yrs, and even though the percentage gain for BXP in Wigan was double that of Leigh, Wigan stayed Labour.
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If the Brexit Party hadn’t split the leave vote she would have come within a whisker if losing her seat!
Knowing Wigan like I do, the Brexit Party voters would have gone with UKIP , Independent or not voted at all rather than Conservative. As it is, there were only 5 candidates and UKIP didn't stand at all, plus the turnout was down by exactly 2,500.

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This is what actually happened, straight from the horse's mouth...

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-polit...o-make-contact
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This election wasn’t a referendum. Remainers will have voted for Leave parties, Leavers will have voted for Labour.
Bolsover 70% leave. Just elected a Tory MP.
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Then you've got Barnsley where the Labour vote was massively hit by the Brexit Party gains, but the Tories hardly felt a difference. I think the message that the electorate of those constituencies delivered was loud and very clear.

68.3% Leave

2019 GE
Barnsley Central
Labour 40.1% (-23.8)
Brexit Party 30.4% (+30.4)
Conservative 21.4% (-2.8)
https://election.news.sky.com/genera...-central-24921

Barnsley East
Labour 37.6% (-21.9)
Brexit Party 29.2% (+29.2)
Conservative 27.3% (+0.3)
https://election.news.sky.com/genera...ley-east-25099
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Now, Lisa's being touted as a possible party leader. I don't see it myself yet and would prefer to save her for another 5 or 10yrs time, but she gave a decent speech in the commons today.
Why not? Are people so suspicious of younger party leaders? I don't get it. For me it's the other way around.

And she was funny, a great communicator and someone with whom people think they can connect.

Or maybe being a woman is still like being handed a bad card?
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Why not? Are people so suspicious of younger party leaders? I don't get it. For me it's the other way around.
I agree. People that are not part of the future should not decide about it.
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I agree. People that are not part of the future should not decide about it.
Define "future". 5 years? 20 years? This idea sounds 1984. Yes you can be smart and have experiences but yes you can be old and still "be part of the future".

In my area pirates are gaining popularity and it is a sad show of posturing and lack of competence.
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I agree. People that are not part of the future should not decide about it.
You must have an age cut-off limit in mind. What is that maximum age?
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Define "future". 5 years? 20 years? This idea sounds 1984. Yes you can be smart and have experiences but yes you can be old and still "be part of the future".
I think it was a tongue-in-cheek comment, to be fair...

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In my area pirates are gaining popularity and it is a sad show of posturing and lack of competence.
It's the imbalance of the wooden leg, parrot on the opposite shoulder and the impaired depth of vision from the eye-patch which results in odd posturing. Or so I'm told.
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You must have an age cut-off limit in mind. What is that maximum age?
I don't think I would vote on someone who is over 60.
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You must have an age cut-off limit in mind. What is that maximum age?
I know he was kidding. But a lot of people favor this idea of "innocence" of young representatives (thank you, Greta) and not being corrupt because apparently driven by the idea of "their" future and not "ours". Since we will no longer bear the consequences. We will be dead.

I disagree. I don't think credibility and competence have an age. So can be....seasoned. Old.

Eta - ok, he was not kidding. Well, I'd vote my 90yr buddy for a president.
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Which is what I wrote here...


Knowing Wigan like I do, the Brexit Party voters would have gone with UKIP , Independent or not voted at all rather than Conservative. As it is, there were only 5 candidates and UKIP didn't stand at all, plus the turnout was down by exactly 2,500.


This is what actually happened, straight from the horse's mouth...

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-polit...o-make-contact
That's quite a pivot! The statistics indicate that Wigan didn't stay a Labour seat because of Lisa Nandy, but rather she only kept her seat because the majority was so big to begin with.

Whilst Brexit was the key reason people turned away from Labour, there were other reasons too. Jeremy Corbyn, his party, antisemitism, voters in Labour safe seats finally realising that the Labour Party doesn't speak or represent them. It seems the message hasn't quite gotten through to Wigan yet, which is a shame considering what a miserable town it is, it could do with some hope.
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Why not? Are people so suspicious of younger party leaders? I don't get it. For me it's the other way around.

And she was funny, a great communicator and someone with whom people think they can connect.

Or maybe being a woman is still like being handed a bad card?
The next Labour leader is very likely going to be Rebecca Long-Bailey, who is very young.
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I don't think I would vote on someone who is over 60.
You do realize that the population of developped countries is aging with a speed of light. We are living longer and there are not enough babies born.
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Whilst Brexit was the key reason people turned away from Labour, there were other reasons too. Jeremy Corbyn, his party, antisemitism, voters in Labour safe seats finally realising that the Labour Party doesn't speak or represent them.
That's quite a backpeddle from you banging the drum a few pages back that antisemitism was the ONLY reason people weren't voting for Corbyn.

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It seems the message hasn't quite gotten through to Wigan yet, which is a shame considering what a miserable town it is, it could do with some hope.
I take it you've never been to Wigan, then?
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