The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	You do realize that the population of developped countries is aging with a speed of light. We are living longer and there are not enough babies born.

I do and people could continue working as an advisor and add a lot of value.
However, if you are 75+ and think the world cannot do without you, then you have done something seriously wrong.

[TonyClifton]

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	That's quite a backpeddle from you banging the drum a few pages back that antisemitism was the ONLY reason people weren't voting for Corbyn. I take it you've never been to Wigan, then?

I have been to Wigan and it’s sadly a grim and unhappy town.

I have also never said antisemitism is the only reason people didn’t vote for Corbyn.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I do and people could continue working as an advisor and add a lot of value. However, if you are 75+ and think the world cannot do without you..

I haven't met so many elderly people like that. People who entered politics that I know, in fact never felt like the world cannot do without them.

Your reasoning has logic. But so does the idea of history repeating itself and "we should learn from recycled mistakes". The young ones often reinvent the wheel or compensate lack of experience with enthusiasm. Which often isn't the solution, it can actually make things pretty...Bad. Unsustainable and temporary. Albeit festive.

Advisors aren't respected if they have zero executive power. It is an effective currency necessary for progress.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Why not? Are people so suspicious of younger party leaders? I don't get it. For me it's the other way around.

My one and only problem with Lisa is that she genuinely is a nice and decent person. I fear she'd get eaten alive. I'm looking for a Jacinda Ardern type of person who can carry a country forward in her vision and command loyalty. Ardern's just got that special 'something', a mixture of grit, determination, compassion, intellect, authority and empathy, that I wish I could put in a bottle.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I have been to Wigan and it’s sadly a grim and unhappy town.

Where in Wigan?

My OH has lived in SA, NZ, Greece, the Netherlands and Switzerland. He loves Wigan and would never describe it as "grim and unhappy". He lived there for 2yrs and often says it has far better facilities and infrastructure than other places he's lived in the UK.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I have also never said antisemitism is the only reason people didn’t vote for Corbyn.

True. One of just two reasons, apparently...

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	No I've said all I had to say on the matter. Antisemitism and socialism are the two and only reasons. If it wasn't for the antisemitism, I may have welcomed a dose Marxist misery on the UK to teach the middle class and student sneerers a lesson in what it really means. As it is I will be praying to God in Heaven to deliver a Conservative victory so that our Jewish friends can once again feel reassured and safeguarded.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I have been to Wigan and it’s sadly a grim and unhappy town.

Sure you have..! Literally EVERYONE has been to Wigan, right?

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I have been to Wigan and it’s sadly a grim and unhappy town. I have also never said antisemitism is the only reason people didn’t vote for Corbyn.

You probably missed visiting the pier?

[greenmount]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I agree. People that are not part of the future should not decide about it.

I wouldn't go that far. But being young(er) shouldn't be a problem either.

	Quote:	marton
	You probably missed visiting the pier?

Someone once smudged out the "r" of "Wigan Pier" on the motorway sign on the M6 and it stayed as "Wigan Pie" for years, which was also appropriate.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	My one and only problem with Lisa is that she genuinely is a nice and decent person. I fear she'd get eaten alive. I'm looking for a Jacinda Ardern type of person who can carry a country forward in her vision and command loyalty. Ardern's just got that special 'something', a mixture of grit, determination, compassion, intellect, authority and empathy, that I wish I could put in a bottle..

Oh, I see. If she's too nice that might a problem. For her.

Matt Hancock seems to have been to the Diane Abbott school of hard sums...

https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/sta...20309339910144

OMGWTFBBQ??

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	Matt Hancock seems to have been to the Diane Abbott school of hard sums... https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/sta...20309339910144 OMGWTFBBQ??

Even he doesn't look convinced by the "maths". What a spoon. Can't wait to see his workings out for new teachers.
Retention = more. We are forking doomed.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The next Labour leader is very likely going to be Rebecca Long-Bailey, who is very young.

Don't know if this is serious or not, but have no idea who Rebecca Long-Bailey is. Young age alone does not really recommend her. Perhaps you should have added more details about her? Why do you think, for instance, that she's very likely to be the next Labour leader? Did she do something special? What was her profession before politics? Which area is her expertise? I prefer younger leaders, but not always. There must be some other qualities/achievements that would recommend them. However, I feel like many competent politicians are not getting the positions they deserve exactly because of their age/lack of "influence" and not something else.

Long-Bailey is 40, not 19. That only qualifies as "very young" if you're over 75.

[greenmount]

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	Long-Bailey is 40, not 19. That only qualifies as "very young" if you're over 75.

I almost thought she's Greta. Then checked and had a good laugh.

But, in all fairness....might be very young among influential politicians. Macron is young. For instance.

[Pashosh]

	Quote:
	Matt Hancock seems to have been to the Diane Abbott school of hard sums... https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/sta...20309339910144 OMGWTFBBQ??

Abbott can't do basic math.
Hancock is backpedaling like a career politician.

The UK had to choose between incompetent racists with obsolete economic ideas to career politicians who backpedal and twist facts.

Most people chose wisely.

	Quote:	Pashosh
	Abbott can't do basic math. Hancock is backpedaling like a career politician. The UK had to choose between incompetent racists with obsolete economic ideas to career politicians who backpedal and twist facts. Most people chose wisely.

And this is a good thing? I believe your priorities are skewed. Mind you, I also believe you don't really have a clue about the UK either, so...

	Quote:	greenmount
	I almost thought she's Greta. Then checked and had a good laugh. But, in all fairness....might be very young among influential politicians. Macron is young. For instance.

Only in a "career" where it's weighted towards wealthy white men over 50. In almost any other profession I can think of, 40 is a very good age indeed.

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	And this is a good thing? I believe your priorities are skewed. Mind you, I also believe you don't really have a clue about the UK either, so...

He's right about the incompetent racists but, hey, Boris has embraced it and fashioned it as a quirky personality trait.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:
	And this is a good thing? I believe your priorities are skewed. Mind you, I also believe you don't really have a clue about the UK either, so...

rock and hard place, corbyn offered everyone free education, free prescription, free parking, free free free at the last election, and it worked very well for him, eg gaining canterbury from the tories due to the student vote.

This time round he offered everyone free flying unicorns, expecting the same trick to work a 2nd time, except people are not as stupid as he and his advisers thought, even a total moron could work out he'd bankrupt the country within months, no real stance on brexit - always sitting on the fence, no real effort into racism, and just comes across as an unlikeable loony lefty from the 70's, that's why they where hammered so badly.

[amogles]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Why not? Are people so suspicious of younger party leaders? I don't get it. For me it's the other way around.

For me it doesn't matter one way or the other.

I look out for candidates who have the right ideas and also have the ability to defend and implement them.

If you start pre-selecting them based on man / woman, young / old, colour of skin or anything like that you are artificially thinning the pool of potential candidates.

Exceptions may apply if it is the person's responsibility to specifically represent or liase with a specific group. But at a party leadership level, the person should represent all categories equally.