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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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If you have a better word to describe the actions of people who are prepared to go to almost any lengths to prevent Brexit from happening, and in spite of collateral consequences to the judiciary and political constitution, then I am all ears?
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I can give you two words, if you like.

British people.
And here I am, the foreigner, who wonders who voted for Brexit and 3 years after - with an overwhelming result - Boris Johnson, the one guy who never wavered in his stand wanting Brexit no matter what.

If that wasn't the British people, then who?
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Old 20.12.2019, 18:00
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The actions of a number of a number Remainers has shown the lengths fanatical people will go to in order to achieve their objectives.
When the objective is to maintain the status quo of the previous 40yrs, the actions to preserve that cannot be described as fanatical. You're winning at oxymorons today lad, even if your cut and paste rant went a bit wonky donkey 😂
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And here I am, the foreigner, who wonders who voted for Brexit and 3 years after - with an overwhelming result - Boris Johnson, the one guy who never wavered in his stand wanting Brexit no matter what.

If that wasn't the British people, then who?
Which "overwhelming" result? it was 52/48

Boris Johnson was pro-EU until he saw his chance to further his political career with Brexit.

The British people are not an homogeneous group. You are just as British whether you are for Leave or Remain. If you passionately believe something is wrong and you use the law to try to sway that peacefully then it doesn't make you any less or more British. You just want what you perceive as best for your country.
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Boris Johnson, the one guy who never wavered in his stand wanting Brexit no matter what.
Hahahaha.

That is going to keep me laughing until Jan 31st!
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Old 20.12.2019, 18:14
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Seems the only way to gain power these days is just to whip up the electorate into a fact-lite, empty promises and big talk frenzy. Heavy on the populist slogans which mean nothing but sound good.

Facts, balance and honesty just ain't gonna cut it from now on.
I blame Simon Cowell. 😉
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Old 20.12.2019, 18:17
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When the objective is to maintain the status quo of the previous 40yrs, the actions to preserve that cannot be described as fanatical. You're winning at oxymorons today lad, even if your cut and paste rant went a bit wonky donkey 😂
Clearly le view of the general public was considerably different to those MP's even through people voting leave had apparently not changed their minds. It's unbelievable that they did not see this coming.
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Old 20.12.2019, 18:20
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Which "overwhelming" result? it was 52/48

Boris Johnson was pro-EU until he saw his chance to further his political career with Brexit.

The British people are not an homogeneous group. You are just as British whether you are for Leave or Remain. If you passionately believe something is wrong and you use the law to try to sway that peacefully then it doesn't make you any less or more British. You just want what you perceive as best for your country.
I perceive the best for a country is to move onwards together from what ever shitty point one may feel it is at the moment.
GB seems to be ripping itself apart for years now, stagnating at one question that has long been answered, wasting valuable time which should be used constructively.
It is kind of painful to watch.
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Old 20.12.2019, 18:21
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I can give you two words, if you like.

British people.
Can I give him two words too?
No?
There's a curse filter?
Shucks Charlie Brown
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Old 20.12.2019, 18:22
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Which "overwhelming" result? it was 52/48

Boris Johnson was pro-EU until he saw his chance to further his political career with Brexit.

The British people are not an homogeneous group. You are just as British whether you are for Leave or Remain. If you passionately believe something is wrong and you use the law to try to sway that peacefully then it doesn't make you any less or more British. You just want what you perceive as best for your country.
A group of 100 children has to decide what to do in the weekend: play football or handball. They decide that they will do whichever sport get most votes. Football wins with 52 votes against 48. Some children that wanted to play handball complain and state that others have been misled to play football and that it is obvious that handball is better.
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Clearly le view of the general public...
Sorry, no French after Brexit.
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Old 20.12.2019, 18:31
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A group of 100 children has to decide what to do in the weekend: play football or handball. They decide that they will do whichever sport get most votes. Football wins with 52 votes against 48. Some children that wanted to play handball complain and state that others have been misled to play football and that it is obvious that handball is better.
And they argue all weekend, day and night until the bus picks them up to go home.
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And they argue all weekend, day and night until the bus picks them up to go home.
Some we're still arguing with the teacher that there was no such rule in the school rules and it was only an advisory vote
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Some we're still arguing with the teacher that there was no such rule in the school rules and it was only an advisory vote
On the bus ride home? Or will they stall entering the bus and miss a few years of schooling?
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Johnson is the kind of person who will stand in the middle of two queues to see which one is moving more quickly.

Actually, he's the kind of person who thinks queuing is for other suckers folk: getting his stuff delivered whilst preaching that it's in the best interest for everyone else to line up and wait.
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Oversimplifying?! Perhaps you missed what happened one week ago?!

The politicians lied! Virtually all MPs from the main parties said in 2017 that they would respect the result of the referendum. It was in manifestos and individual MP pledges. Even the Labour Party said they would. Then as the parliamentary term progressed they changed their tune and decided that actually they didn’t like this Brexit business and started trying to block it. This is why the vast majority of MPs who behaved in this way lost their seats!

The withdrawal bill has just been passed! Happy Brexmas!
Labour did not win so they were not empowered to implement their manifesto

Labour manifesto actually said "We will end Theresa May’s reckless approach to Brexit, and seek to unite the country around a Brexit deal that works for every community in Britain. " So they did not change their tune.
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Old 20.12.2019, 19:02
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And they argue all weekend, day and night until the bus picks them up to go home.
That would be the bus with the NHS slogan?
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A group of 100 children has to decide what to do in the weekend: play football or handball. They decide that they will do whichever sport get most votes. Football wins with 52 votes against 48. Some children that wanted to play handball complain and state that others have been misled to play football and that it is obvious that handball is better.
And the relevance to Brexit in this context is what exactly?

As Curley says, at the end of the day everyone goes home with their parents and nothing has changed. Can’t same the same for a referendum which has now had the knock on effect of destabilizing a whole nation politically, socially and economically bit hey, why worry about that when you can come up with some barely relevant simplistic comparison.
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...... Actually, he's the kind of person who thinks queuing is for other suckers folk: getting his stuff delivered .....
The guy is Swiss?

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That would be the bus with the NHS slogan?
Nope, national football team on one side and the national handball team on the other.
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And the relevance to Brexit in this context is what exactly?

As Curley says, at the end of the day everyone goes home with their parents and nothing has changed. Can’t same the same for a referendum which has now had the knock on effect of destabilizing a whole nation politically, socially and economically bit hey, why worry about that when you can come up with some barely relevant simplistic comparison.
Sorry, I do see the relevance.

And I have been misunderstood. The relevance is that they waste the entire week-end arguing about a question that has been answered.

And the "going home and nothing has changed" is the only option with Brexit that is not availabel. How many more years will it take until that is clear to everybody?
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Also from the Labour Manifesto (2017)
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A Conservative Brexit will weaken workers’ rights, deregulate the economy, slash corporate taxes, sideline Parliament and democratic accountability, and cut Britain off from our closest allies and most important trading partners
I am not a Labour supporter but this turned out to be a reasonable forecast.
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