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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Meanwhile here's Jacob Rees-Mogg with his three demands from the ERG for the New Year.

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To all the non-believers here, something to cheer you up:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...ouse-uk-latest

Bring on the roaring twenties
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To all the non-believers here, something to cheer you up:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...ouse-uk-latest

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...ouse-uk-latest

Bring on the roaring twenties
So you know the great new deal that Trump did with Canada, yes that one - the one Congress has not ratified and that Donald no longer mentions....

One should never underestimate the Granny factor.... particularly an Italian one with Irish grandchildren! And this report does not even consider the possibility.
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So you know the great new deal that Trump did with Canada, yes that one - the one Congress has not ratified and that Donald no longer mentions....

One should never underestimate the Granny factor.... particularly an Italian one with Irish grandchildren! And this report does not even consider the possibility.
With Brexit Britain and Britain's place in the world according to Rees-Mogg and those adherents of the
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...ouse-uk-latest

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In trade deals, the bigger party sets the terms, the UK is the obvious junior partner. That doesn't bode well for a deal that benefits the UK, in fact it sounds very much like the wishful "thinking" around Brexit itself. And of course, what's good for a country doesn't benefit the population equally; expect the bottom half of the British population to get shafted. Northern Ireland may turn out to be lucky with the border in the Irish Sea as that must keep them outside of such a deal.

Besides, and this is only indirectly related to a UK-US FTA though it does affect trade with all other WTO members, there's no working way to get WTO disputes resolved any longer. Given that the WTO Appelate Body is now completely dysfunctional, thanks to no other country than the US of course, the WTO dispute settlement in the prescribed way is no longer available. The US have proven time and time again that they don't really mind breaking those deals whenever it suits them. See the current trade war, for example (which is expected to arrive in our theatre sometime next year btw).
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I cannot read the Express. It's shouty headlines and blatant Tory bias make it little more than a tabloid propaganda rag.

Mind you, it is now competing for that 'honour' with The Daily Telegraph, a 'newspaper' whose decline since 2016 has been so shocking it is now virtually unreadable. Owned by the Barclay brothers, who are among the many pro-Tory, pro-Brexit tax dodgers, it is now only too noteworthy for the deluded, at times outright offensive articles written by its editor, Allister Heath, and at least 4 of its main columnists, Allison Pearson (who is a genuinely nasty piece of work), Fraser Nelson, Sherelle Jacobs and Charles Moore (who seems to be a classic example of an ageing, Tory baby-boomer suffering from an English identity crisis, as he slowly realises that 1) World War 2 was a long time ago, and he never saw it anyway. 2) Being English - and public school educated - does NOT make you superior to the rest of the world). I can just picture Moore angrily crying into his glass of Port.......

And that is before you see many of the letters written into it. One in particular stands out, from earlier this year. It was written by a woman who claimed to find the idea of stockpiling for a No Deal Brexit almost invigorating! The last line was "Brexit Hampers anyone?" Honestly, when you read some of these letters you begin to grasp the scale of the English identity crisis which has afflicted much of England (and it is England which is the cause of Brexit) since they began to discover that they are now just a small country whose imperial past is just a distant memory...... So many Telegraph readers - likely 1950's-60's born baby-boomers - just cannot accept that harsh, 21st century reality, and instead yearn desperately for an imagined WW2 and/or British Empire past, because it has become such a part of who they are that they cannot live without it.....

As a result, England is now infected with English nationalism, which at this rate, is going to result in England becoming an even smaller country as Scotland and Northern Ireland decide to cut it loose, and move on. In my view, that is now only a matter of time.
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As a result, England is now infected with English nationalism......

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As a result, England is now infected with English nationalism, which at this rate, is going to result in England becoming an even smaller country as Scotland and Northern Ireland decide to cut it loose, and move on. In my view, that is now only a matter of time.
This is a Scottish myth! Come south of the border and see for yourself, the only nationalism on the British isles is the wicked and malicious type being peddled by Nicola Sturgeon!
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Jo man of the people Maugham has battered a fox to death on Boxing Day. It would be fitting to both the poor fox and us Brexiteers were he to feel the full force of the law.
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I cannot read the Express. It's shouty headlines and blatant Tory bias make it little more than a tabloid propaganda rag.

Mind you, it is now competing for that 'honour' with The Daily Telegraph, a 'newspaper' whose decline since 2016 has been so shocking it is now virtually unreadable. Owned by the Barclay brothers, who are among the many pro-Tory, pro-Brexit tax dodgers, it is now only too noteworthy for the deluded, at times outright offensive articles written by its editor, Allister Heath, and at least 4 of its main columnists, Allison Pearson (who is a genuinely nasty piece of work), Fraser Nelson, Sherelle Jacobs and Charles Moore (who seems to be a classic example of an ageing, Tory baby-boomer suffering from an English identity crisis, as he slowly realises that 1) World War 2 was a long time ago, and he never saw it anyway. 2) Being English - and public school educated - does NOT make you superior to the rest of the world). I can just picture Moore angrily crying into his glass of Port.......

And that is before you see many of the letters written into it. One in particular stands out, from earlier this year. It was written by a woman who claimed to find the idea of stockpiling for a No Deal Brexit almost invigorating! The last line was "Brexit Hampers anyone?" Honestly, when you read some of these letters you begin to grasp the scale of the English identity crisis which has afflicted much of England (and it is England which is the cause of Brexit) since they began to discover that they are now just a small country whose imperial past is just a distant memory...... So many Telegraph readers - likely 1950's-60's born baby-boomers - just cannot accept that harsh, 21st century reality, and instead yearn desperately for an imagined WW2 and/or British Empire past, because it has become such a part of who they are that they cannot live without it.....

As a result, England is now infected with English nationalism, which at this rate, is going to result in England becoming an even smaller country as Scotland and Northern Ireland decide to cut it loose, and move on. In my view, that is now only a matter of time.
The Barclay Brothers live in Monaco a principality that's has no income tax, clearly any dividends paid from the Telegraph will have been subject to UK corporation tax & no further tax is payable. Nothing dodgy or dodging just how it is for anyone who chooses to live in Monaco. HMRC have very strict rules for being UK tax dual resident so clearly they spend very little time in the UK. I have US investments but have spent zero days in the US in the last 10 years so have no further US tax liability other than withholding tax & can use US withholding tax against tax liabilities in other jurisdictions.
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So you know the great new deal that Trump did with Canada, yes that one - the one Congress has not ratified and that Donald no longer mentions....

One should never underestimate the Granny factor.... particularly an Italian one with Irish grandchildren! And this report does not even consider the possibility.
Canada’s trade deal with the EU has also not yet been ratified. By the EU!
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More on that EU love letter from Frans Timmermans.

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More on that EU love letter from Frans Timmermans.

BBC News - EU love letter says UK always welcome back
Can we handover Frans Timmermans to the UK as a kind of goodbye gift?
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It has been provisionally applied since September 2017, so the treaty has already eliminated 98% of the tariffs between Canada and the EU.
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This is a Scottish myth! Come south of the border and see for yourself, the only nationalism on the British isles is the wicked and malicious type being peddled by Nicola Sturgeon!
So English nationalism is good but Scottish nationalism is bad? Or maybe, English nationalism is the right kind (as the English are a superior lot and it's just...natural, like in the natural order of things and their God given right to be nationalistic) and Scottish nationalism is the vicious, primitive kind, perpetrated by semi-inferior creatures.
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The Barclay Brothers live in Monaco a principality that's has no income tax, clearly any dividends paid from the Telegraph will have been subject to UK corporation tax & no further tax is payable. Nothing dodgy or dodging just how it is for anyone who chooses to live in Monaco. HMRC have very strict rules for being UK tax dual resident so clearly they spend very little time in the UK. I have US investments but have spent zero days in the US in the last 10 years so have no further US tax liability other than withholding tax & can use US withholding tax against tax liabilities in other jurisdictions.



Monaco or Manx......?
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So English nationalism is good but Scottish nationalism is bad? Or maybe, English nationalism is the right kind (as the English are a superior lot and it's just...natural, like in the natural order of things and their God given right to be nationalistic) and Scottish nationalism is the vicious, primitive kind, perpetrated by semi-inferior creatures.
That’s not what I said. I said English nationalism doesn’t exist! Well there are small nutty fringes like the EDF but they’re largely ignored by the good people of England and Wales. A few flags may go up during major sporting events but this is firmly rooted in friendly patriotism, and couldn’t be further removed from the disgusting nationalism spouted by the SNP! Our friend ChrisCMR should venture south of the border and see for himself.
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That’s not what I said. I said English nationalism doesn’t exist! Well there are small nutty fringes like the EDF but they’re largely ignored by the good people of England and Wales. A few flags may go up during major sporting events but this is firmly rooted in friendly patriotism, and couldn’t be further removed from the disgusting nationalism spouted by the SNP! Our friend ChrisCMR should venture south of the border and see for himself.
Are you quite insane? The flag of St George is hoisted in a friendly manner? Ask any country in Europe how much they dread seeing large groups of England fans converging on their town squares waving flags of St George and singing 10 German Bombers. As someone who used to go to a few England games (some of my English friends are big footy fans, so I went along for a foreign jolly), it is frankly cringingly embarrassing.

Then ask them how they view visiting fans of Scotland (not that many have seen us for a long time at football tournaments!).
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