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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 05.01.2020, 19:50
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Why would it be an embarrassment to go to a public school? No entitlement or privilege it's either paid by your parents or gifted by the school. Less so now as foreign students were charged at least double fees, however that was outlawed by discrimination laws.

Have you got a chip on your shoulder?
It's privilege if your parents can afford c. 25k a year. That's more than the average UK salary. To argue that it isn't is naive in the extreme. As for the schools paying.... scholarships are very scarce and rarely pay the full whack. But if your parents can afford the fees without wincing and cutting back elsewhere I guess you grow up not really understanding how the rest of the world works.

No chips here. Why do you ask? You seem intrigued by me. Are you flirting? You are, aren't you. You rogue, you. Well... since you didn't ask...


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Old 05.01.2020, 20:21
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Reported for another foul personal attack yet again supported by a mod.
As you've seen fit to share your report, I'll share the response here.

1. Saying that you've been involved in bullying may be unfounded (or not) but it's not what I view as a personal attack. I think the other mods would agree, but no, I don't speak for anyone but myself here.
2. MC's thanks is perfectly fair - as has been said so many times there's no reason at all why she shouldn't thank or groan wherever she wants to. Being a mod has nothing to do with it.

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Old 05.01.2020, 20:29
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As you've seen fit to share your report, I'll share the response here.

1. Saying that you've been involved in bullying may be unfounded (or not) but it's not what I view as a personal attack. I think the other mods would agree, but no, I don't speak for anyone but myself here.
2. MC's thanks is perfectly fair - as has been said do many times there's no reason at all why she shouldn't thank or groan wherever she wants to. Being a mod has nothing to do with it.
What report have I shared?

Ok. So what do you view as a personal attack? I'm keen to understand.
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Old 05.01.2020, 20:31
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As you've seen fit to share your report, I'll share the response here.

1. Saying that you've been involved in bullying may be unfounded (or not) but it's not what I view as a personal attack. I think the other mods would agree, but no, I don't speak for anyone but myself here.
2. MC's thanks is perfectly fair - as has been said do many times there's no reason at all why she shouldn't thank or groan wherever she wants to. Being a mod has nothing to do with it.
Interesting.

I thought policy (mentioned by mods on here several times) was always to deal with these things behind the scenes and never bring them into the open - and rarely to ever reply in person.

Really poor show, this Ace - new year, same old ways.
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Old 05.01.2020, 20:39
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What report have I shared?
The fact that you reported the post as a personal attack.
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Ok. So what do you view as a personal attack? I'm keen to understand.
There's been plenty of examples, I'm sure you agree.
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I thought policy (mentioned by mods on here several times) was always to deal with these things behind the scenes and never bring them into the open - and rarely to ever reply in person.
Did you?

We don't run on fixed policies, as has been made very clear recently. If a user chooses to bring a PM, a post report, or whatever else, into the public forum, then it may sometime deserve a response in public too, for transparency's sake if nothing else.
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Old 05.01.2020, 20:43
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The fact that you reported the post as a personal attack.

There's been plenty of examples, I'm sure you agree.

Did you?

We don't run on fixed policies, as has been made very clear recently. If a user chooses to bring a PM, a post report, or whatever else, into the public forum, then it may sometime deserve a response in public too, for transparency's sake if nothing else.
Plenty of instances of people saying they've reported a post. No? But you single me out. Why?

Clearly what I think is unacceptable is different to what you think is unacceptable. So, examples please.

Why did my reported post deserve a public response? Others don't. Again, this feels personal.

So no fixed policies. A suck-it-and-see approach depending on the mod mood?
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Old 05.01.2020, 20:47
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Did you?

We don't run on fixed policies, as has been made very clear recently. If a user chooses to bring a PM, a post report, or whatever else, into the public forum, then it may sometime deserve a response in public too, for transparency's sake if nothing else.
If you don't run on fixed policies, then this is even worse. Stop picking out single users - given that you have the power on here, that is actual bullying.

Saying "I will be reporting you" isn't the same as sharing the contents of the report, you know this.

Also, start having some policies, this approach is ridiculous.
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Old 05.01.2020, 20:50
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If you don't run on fixed policies, then this is even worse. Stop picking out single users - given that you have the power on here, that is actual bullying.

Also, start having some policies, this scattergun approach is ridiculous.
Ah, but is it? Is there actually a spoon?

I'm still waiting on examples of a personal attack.


If i called someone an underhand cretin, that's unacceptable? Yes or no?

Accusing someone of displaying underhanded cretinous behaviour is subtly different and therefore acceptable? Yes or no?
Do we need a poll?
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Old 05.01.2020, 21:20
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It's privilege if your parents can afford c. 25k a year. That's more than the average UK salary. To argue that it isn't is naive in the extreme. As for the schools paying.... scholarships are very scarce and rarely pay the full whack. But if your parents can afford the fees without wincing and cutting back elsewhere I guess you grow up not really understanding how the rest of the world works.

No chips here. Why do you ask? You seem intrigued by me. Are you flirting? You are, aren't you. You rogue, you. Well... since you didn't ask...


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About 50% of the UK students paid 20% of fees or less at the time, mainly bursaries, the full fees were substantially less than average earnings of £5k a year at the time. School fees inflation has exceeded average earnings over the past 40 plus years when I was at school. I think most of the parents even paying 10 or 20% of fees were seriously cutting back elsewhere, tax rates were very much higher back then, base rate of 34% rising to 84% above 20k of income. Good old Labour government

I guess my understanding of how the rest of the UK works is better than your view, I correctly predicted the referendum result & the result of the election in this thread. You hopelessly misread the population.

Not intrigued at all, just can't understand how you continue to flog a dead horse, long after the race has finished.
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Old 05.01.2020, 21:26
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About 50% of the UK students paid 20% of fees or less at the time, mainly bursaries, the full fees were substantially less than average earnings of £5k a year at the time. School fees inflation has exceeded average earnings over the past 40 plus years when I was at school. I think most of the parents even paying 10 or 20% of fees were seriously cutting back elsewhere, tax rates were very much higher back then, base rate of 34% rising to 84% above 20k of income. Good old Labour government

I guess my understanding of how the rest of the UK works is better than your view, I correctly predicted the referendum result & the result of the election in this thread. You hopelessly misread the population.

Not intrigued at all, just can't understand how you continue to flog a dead horse, long after the race has finished.
I get the impression our life experiences are poles apart, true. You don't like what i think, fine, but there is no need to be so unpleasant about it is there?

What horse am I flogging? You appear to be the one displaying obsessive behaviours.

And school fees have clearly gone up since you were a ahirt button. You'd know that if your finger was really on the pulse.

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About 50% of the UK students paid 20% of fees or less at the time, mainly bursaries, the full fees were substantially less than average earnings of £5k a year at the time. School fees inflation has exceeded average earnings over the past 40 plus years when I was at school. I think most of the parents even paying 10 or 20% of fees were seriously cutting back elsewhere, tax rates were very much higher back then, base rate of 34% rising to 84% above 20k of income. Good old Labour government

I guess my understanding of how the rest of the UK works is better than your view, I correctly predicted the referendum result & the result of the election in this thread. You hopelessly misread the population.

Not intrigued at all, just can't understand how you continue to flog a dead horse, long after the race has finished.
Public school scholarships must have changed a lot. There’s about 10% of kids get them now and none or a tiny percentage at full fee scholarships.

Non EU students don’t pay more, usually a small admin fee (a few 100) per term presumably for organising airport transfers etc.
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I'm still waiting on examples of a personal attack.

Who mentioned a personal attack, other than you in your report to the mods?
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Non EU students don’t pay more, usually a small admin fee (a few 100) per term presumably for organising airport transfers etc.
I only went to 1 school, it was not run in quite the same was as other public schools, foreign kids paid a multiple of standard fees, most paid way in excess of 200% depending on how rich they were & how much they wanted their kid to go to the school. Not unusual to have a Crown prince & a coal miners kid sharing a dormitory with 6 or 7 others.

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Three pages later, I'm still laughing at the idea of Raab being 'relatable' and PM material.
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Not intrigued at all, just can't understand how you continue to flog a dead horse, long after the race has finished.
Oh, c'mon, be fair now. Criticism against politicians is a very good thing, whether they won or didn't, are in power or not...it's not important. I suppose none of us admires North Korea...? Try to see it that way, seriously. RufusB is entitled to her opinions like everyone else.

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I only went to 1 school, it was not run in quite the same was as other public schools, foreign kids paid a multiple of standard fees, most paid way in excess of 200% depending on how rich they were & how much they wanted their kid to go to the school. Not unusual to have a Crown prince & a coal miners kid sharing a dormitory with 6 or 7 others.
Well, they charge the Crown prince more because they have to subsidise the coal miner's kid somehow...



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Three pages later, I'm still laughing at the idea of Raab being 'relatable' and PM material.
Why? Much better than Boris, no?
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Your opinion about the referendum is just your own opinion. I don’t think the electorate was stupid (exceptions, obvs). They were simply misled by charlatans with the biggest budget. There’s a difference.
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Where did things become so bad and the public so easily manipulated, I have no idea. I thought it was more specific to weaker democracies, but no. It's a global trend.
Three separate votes and the public chose Brexit. Three and a half years of being told they were lied to and misled. Do you not think it’s time you move on from this argument?
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Tony does not understand much about US politics... it would be very hard to find any US politician on either side that would vote for anything that endangers the Good Friday agreement, there are too many votes in it to be branded the politician that cause things to kick off again in NI.
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or goes, who have the bit between their teeth, now that Impeachments taken off.
You really think that Congress would block a trade deal to spite Trump? Well in the current kindergarten of US politics you could be right! However it’s a big risk to take. It doesn’t matter in any case, if the UK is making rapid progress in US negotiations I don’t think the EU would be too willing to gamble on Congress blocking the deal. Especially after President Macron has managed to burn his bridges with President Trump.
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The Financial Times reported yesterday that the EU commission has proposed a new “plastic tax” on non reuseable plastics in order to plug the hole in the budget caused by the UK leaving the EU.

It’s sad reflection on the EU if they proceed with this and demonstrates a lack of foresight. A tax revenue entirely dependent on maintaining plastic pollution levels.
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Three separate votes and the public chose Brexit. Three and a half years of being told they were lied to and misled. Do you not think it’s time you move on from this argument?
Why? It’s still valid.

Just because it’s three plus years down the line it doesn’t cancel out the utter untruths and made-up stats which were purely there to win votes.

If I lie about my taxes or paying a bill or lamping someone in a pub, the law doesn’t simply start accepting my story because a good couple of years have passed.
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The Financial Times reported yesterday that the EU commission has proposed a new “plastic tax” on non reuseable plastics in order to plug the hole in the budget caused by the UK leaving the EU.

It’s sad reflection on the EU if they proceed with this and demonstrates a lack of foresight. A tax revenue entirely dependent on maintaining plastic pollution levels.
Maybe it is because they want people to use fewer plastic bottles.

Not everything is about you.
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Maybe it is because they want people to use fewer plastic bottles.

Not everything is about you.
Then why not ban non-reusable plastics? Would be a good thing.
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