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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 06.01.2020, 11:41
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They do generate electricity too from burning rubbish that cannot be recycled rather than using it for landfill - not many countries in Europe have managed that yet.
Since 2015, EWZ residential mix has been 100% renewable you incorrigible Grumpus

When I move in a year or so, I will be generating and storing most of my own leccy. I do hope you aren't too disappointed.
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This seems like a brilliantly straightforward answer to two problems. Is it expensive to implement? I suppose it must be or doesn't generate enough profit or something so other countries haven't done the same.

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I think it's just for heating rather than electricity.
I edited my earlier post.

Our big boss was having a duck-egg because we weren't fastidiously recycling every sodding thing in the office so I sent him the link that effectively said, "actually the fact you're nice and warm in the office is because we're burning all that lovely rubbish."

But I don't think it's set up to deliver electricity yet.
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Old 06.01.2020, 11:46
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This seems like a brilliantly straightforward answer to two problems. Is it expensive to implement? I suppose it must be or doesn't generate enough profit or something so other countries haven't done the same.

Off to Google...
Not sure about initial investment but the payback is pretty impressive.

After the burning, any metal left in the slag can be recovered too.

For Horgen, here's the lowdown on the number of homes powered by the generated electricity and so on.

Here's the diagram of how it works
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I edited my earlier post.

Our big boss was having a duck-egg because we weren't fastidiously recycling every sodding thing in the office so I sent him the link that effectively said, "actually the fact you're nice and warm in the office is because we're burning all that lovely rubbish."

But I don't think it's set up to deliver electricity yet.
What would Tesco say? It was Tesco, no? I don't remember I have seen other bags in my friends' house back in Bristol.

"Every little helps" or something along the line.
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Old 06.01.2020, 11:49
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But I don't think it's set up to deliver electricity yet.
Isn't that a bioenergy plant, running on biomass?
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Old 06.01.2020, 11:51
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Since 2015, EWZ residential mix has been 100% renewable you incorrigible Grumpus

When I move in a year or so, I will be generating and storing most of my own leccy. I do hope you aren't too disappointed.
Push bike attached to a generator in the garage?
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Not sure about initial investment but the payback is pretty impressive.

After the burning, any metal left in the slag can be recovered too.

For Horgen, here's the lowdown on the number of homes powered by the generated electricity and so on.

Here's the diagram of how it works
Imagine all the Teslas you could power with that!
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Old 06.01.2020, 12:01
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Push bike attached to a generator in the garage?
No, I'll be taking a few private jet flights to Japan to harpoon a couple of Whales, then running the heating off their oil and trading the ambergris for diesel.
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Old 06.01.2020, 12:05
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No, I'll be taking a few private jet flights to Japan to harpoon a couple of Whales, then running the heating off their oil and trading the ambergris for diesel.
That seems like a lot of work. You should maybe consider the push bike/generator combo.
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Old 06.01.2020, 12:06
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No, I'll be taking a few private jet flights to Japan to harpoon a couple of Whales, then running the heating off their oil and trading the ambergris for diesel.
I read "aubergine".
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Old 06.01.2020, 12:08
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I read "aubergine".
Cor. Imagine the size of a whale's aubergine.
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Old 06.01.2020, 12:08
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Imagine all the Teslas you could power with that!
https://youtu.be/fCjsUxbNmIs?t=62
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Old 06.01.2020, 12:29
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Maybe it is because they want people to use fewer plastic bottles.

Not everything is about you.
This is how it is being reported.

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As the EU27 prepare for fractious negotiations over the next seven-year budget which runs from 2021, officials and diplomats have told the Financial Times that member states are ready to agree a plastics recycling tax — the first new EU-wide revenue to be directed to the bloc’s coffers since the establishment of VAT.

“We have a Brexit gap. Member states know this and will eventually have to accept new revenue streams,” said a senior EU official.
Revenue streams dependent on people using plastics.
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Old 06.01.2020, 12:29
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yes, the bus is a much better option for the environment but not so visual in the way of virtue signalling.
It's all a question of marketing.

And to be honest, I think in Switzerland the bus does have a certain edge. Back when Josef Estermann was major of Zürich he went virtually everywhere by public transport and would sit next to and even chat to normals. Even I exchanged a few words with him on two occasions.

In other countries, especially Germany at the time, the fact was occasionally mentioned with a considerable amount of drooling by the press, where that level of approachability and normality (and absence of security) was interpreted as being ultra democratic, akin to the bicycle riding monarch of Denmark..

I think there was also a CEO of one of the big Zürich banks around the same time who also went to work by tram every day and when his successor decided to go by car it was quite detrimental to his public image.

I don't think the choice between a petrol car and an electric car has in any way the same level of hands-on oomph as the choice between a car and a tram.
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Old 06.01.2020, 12:38
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This is how it is being reported.



Revenue streams dependent on people using plastics.
The two sentences you have written there are entirely independent, aren't they? The unnamed source (always reliable) isn't commenting on the preceding paragraph.

That's really poor manipulation TC, must try harder.
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I don't think the choice between a petrol car and an electric car has in any way the same level of hands-on oomph as the choice between a car and a tram.
Well you will be surprised at the amount of umph you can get from the top of the range Electric Cars these
days like the Tesla in Ludicrous racing mode.

Tesla Model S v AMG GT 4 v BMW M5 v Porsche Panamera Turbo S Race
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Old 06.01.2020, 19:45
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They do generate electricity too from burning rubbish that cannot be recycled rather than using it for landfill - not many countries in Europe have managed that yet.
Not sure how much they burn. They export an awful lot to CZ. Sod the EU and their "green cooperation".
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smokers cost the govt about £14bn a year and smoking revenues contribute about £12bn...
And how much do non-smokers cost the govt?

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And how much do non-smokers cost the govt?

Tom
Depends on what's wrong with them. I believe obesity (and related conditions like T2 diabetes) are increasingly an issue and cost a lot. Don't know if more or less than smokers.
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Old 07.01.2020, 19:42
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If you want to be totally fair, then you shouldn't look at health costs only but also at the value that people add to society (monetary and non-monetary).
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