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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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In a landscape of horrendous political candidates, Dominic Raab continues to impress me whenever I see him being interviewed. While no-one in any party has a great track record, especially where Brexit is concerned looking at his Wiki page, he seems to be a very well spoken, calm and rational person with at least some semblance of a backbone who also doesn't come across as completely unrelatable, fake and/or dishonest. I think, barring any catastrophic mistakes he makes (even by British political standards), that he may well be a contender for future PM.
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he seems to be a very well spoken, calm and rational person with at least some semblance of a backbone who also doesn't come across as completely unrelatable, fake and/or dishonest.
Whilst I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, his staunch defence of the fake Tory fact checking account during the election was craven.
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Whilst I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, his staunch defence of the fake Tory fact checking account during the election was craven.
There are no innocents in experienced UK career politicians, just many varying degrees of guilt and/or incompetence compensated for by their varying levels of positive qualities. Dominic Raab at least appears to have his head screwed on straight and I can see the potential in him.
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Whilst I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, his staunch defence of the fake Tory fact checking account during the election was craven.
Helping the Tories to win, quite commendable
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Helping the Tories to win, quite commendable
I’m old enough to remember when winning fairly was a trait the British admired.

Winning at all costs was one of those unseemly things that forrins did. How times change.
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I’m old enough to remember when winning fairly was a trait the British admired.

Winning at all costs was one of those unseemly things that forrins did. How times change.
And public school cliquey bully boys. HTH.


As for Raab... He's so far up Johnson's backside he's too muffled to be useful. He's a "calm rational" voice repeating more than his fair share of lies. And he recently supported Trump. Enough said.
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And public school cliquey bully boys. HTH.


As for Raab... He's so far up Johnson's backside he's too muffled to be useful. He's a "calm rational" voice repeating more than his fair share of lies. And he recently supported Trump. Enough said.
You have done your fair share of bullying in this thread, the bullies tend to be more left wing types, who did everything to stop BREXIT & prevent the Tories winning. Accept democracy in action & move on.

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I’m old enough to remember when winning fairly was a trait the British admired.
Lets not be overly naive here. To think we have historically been a nation of "fair winners" is really pushing the boundaries of delusion. It would be more accurate to say that we have, in modern history at least, attempted to give the public impression that we were about winning fairly, when behind closed doors people were, as always, doing anything but. History has shown that there are very rarely any truly fair and incorruptible 'good guys' in anything but romanticized story books.
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Lets not be overly naive here. To think we have historically been a nation of "fair winners" is really pushing the boundaries of delusion. It would be more accurate to say that we have, in modern history at least, attempted to give the public impression that we were about winning fairly, when behind closed doors people were, as always, doing anything but. History has shown that there are very rarely any truly fair and incorruptible 'good guys' in anything but romanticized story books.
I think you have missed my point slightly. Of course many people always did everything they could to win, including cheating, but that wasn’t something people ever really admired.

I’m talking about real acts of moral fortitude all the way from Chariots of Fire to snooker players calling fouls on themselves via Paolo di Canio’s play-stopping redemption; truly honourable acts that not only didn’t benefit the actor, but often impeded them.
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Old 05.01.2020, 14:34
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I think you have missed my point slightly. Of course many people always did everything they could to win, including cheating, but that wasn’t something people ever really admired.

I’m talking about real acts of moral fortitude all the way from Chariots of Fire to snooker players calling fouls on themselves via Paolo di Canio’s play-stopping redemption; truly honourable acts that not only didn’t benefit the actor, but often impeded them.
Agreed, we all admire truly selflessness and honour but how often have and do they happen in mainstream politics? It's not something I would expect or particularly even look for there in order to save myself the inevitable disappointment. Jo Cox was reportedly probably the closest I can remember to such a thing and it took her untimely death to gain any widespread knowledge of or recognition for it.
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Agreed, we all admire truly selflessness and honour but how often have and do they happen in mainstream politics? It's not something I would expect or particularly even look for there in order to save myself the inevitable disappointment. Jo Cox was reportedly probably the closest I can remember to such a thing and it took her untimely death to gain any widespread knowledge of or recognition for it.
If you do not expect fair play then you contribute to it not happening.
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You have done your fair share of bullying in this thread, the bullies tend to be more left wing types, who did everything to stop BREXIT & prevent the Tories winning. Accept democracy in action & move on.

No doubt Trump will win a second term
The irony is so immense it has its own event horizon.
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You have done your fair share of bullying in this thread, the bullies tend to be more left wing types, who did everything to stop BREXIT & prevent the Tories winning. Accept democracy in action & move on.

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Where have I bullied anyone? Disagreed, yes, been sarcastic, yes, found stuff ridiculous, yes. You are the one constantly being antagonistic for some reason.

I see MC has agreed with you. Shocker.

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been sarcastic,

I see MC has agreed with you. Shocker.

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At least you accept you have been sarcastic.
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At least you accept you have been sarcastic.
Sarcasm isnít bullying, to be fair.

Letís face it some of the justification for Brexit on here was ripe for a sarcastic response because itís so far from reality itís practically a Dali painting.
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Letís face it some of the justification for Brexit on here was ripe for a sarcastic response because itís so far from reality itís practically a Dali painting.
Justified or not in your opinion, it's how the electorate voted.
Some people here believed the electorate were too stupid to know what they voted for, however the electorate did not like it that their vote was ignored. Many of those same stupid knew exactly what they were voting for & voted Tory to get BREXIT done.

I was unable to vote, stood back & could see what would happen. I ignored the echo chamber of my FB friends.
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At least you accept you have been sarcastic.
Why wouldn't I? Do you object to all sarcasm, just my sarcasm or sarcasm that you find hurty? I'm still waiting for evidence of bullying. Other than your bullying. Obvs.

Ah. I see you objected to my public school comment. Why is that? Wait. Did you go to public school? Is that it? It would explain a lot.
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Justified or not in your opinion, it's how the electorate voted.
Some people here believed the electorate were too stupid to know what they voted for, however the electorate did not like it that their vote was ignored. Many of those same stupid knew exactly what they were voting for & voted Tory to get BREXIT done.

I was unable to vote, stood back & could see what would happen. I ignored the echo chamber of my FB friends.
Not sure whether you’ve lost the thread of your own point you were trying to make . You were accusing RufusB of bullying because she was apparently sarcastic.

Your opinion about the referendum is just your own opinion. I don’t think the electorate was stupid (exceptions, obvs). They were simply misled by charlatans with the biggest budget. There’s a difference.

So you allowed FB to formulate your opinions, then? Interesting.
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So you allowed FB to formulate your opinions, then? Interesting.
I use what intelligent informed opinion tells me to do & do the reverse, it's worked with investing about 80% of the time over the last 30 years for me, which beats most analysts
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Not sure whether youíve lost the thread of your own point you were trying to make . You were accusing RufusB of bullying because she was apparently sarcastic.

Your opinion about the referendum is just your own opinion. I donít think the electorate was stupid (exceptions, obvs). They were simply misled by charlatans with the biggest budget. Thereís a difference.

So you allowed FB to formulate your opinions, then? Interesting.
I think I hurt his ex-public school feelings. No judgement, FMF, I've worked in both sectors. It must have been dreadful for you. *





*sarcasm. HTH.
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