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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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I can't wait for the fossil fuel tax tbh; if people actually had to pay to cover what we'll need to spend due to climate change, then everyone would be jumping on the bus!
Yes, in Switzerland, jumping on the bus rather than driving Teslas and other electric cars which are powered from electricity delivered from Germany, and generated using fossil-fuel power stations.

yes, the bus is a much better option for the environment but not so visual in the way of virtue signalling.
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There are huge subsidies which I am sure more than make up for the taxes.

You'll notice I did mention that I wanted taxes that covered actual (financial) damage created by the various industries - you can't believe whichever taxes (minus subsidies) the oil / coal industry pays comes anywhere close to the damage being done?
I wonder the taxes on the real costs of electric cars, given the rare metals used.
Or what about your iPhone?
Or should we conveniently exclude everything that fits your lifestyle?
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Yes, in Switzerland, jumping on the bus rather than driving Teslas and other electric cars which are powered from electricity delivered from Germany, and generated using fossil-fuel power stations.

yes, the bus is a much better option for the environment but not so visual in the way of virtue signalling.
How high is Switzerland's uptake of public transport compared to the rest of Europe, though?

It's too much of a norm to be "virtue-signalling".

How come Swiss Teslas are using German-generated power? (Genuinely didn't know this and Google's giving me nada).

EDIT - found a link.
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How high is Switzerland's uptake of public transport compared to the rest of Europe, though?

It's too much of a norm to be "virtue-signalling".

How come Swiss Teslas are using German-generated power? (Genuinely didn't know this and Google's giving me nada).

EDIT - found a link.
Boy and here I was thinking we're consuming Swiss energy generated by those four reactors and their hydroelectric plants.....
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Yes, in Switzerland, jumping on the bus rather than driving Teslas and other electric cars which are powered from electricity delivered from Germany, and generated using fossil-fuel power stations.

yes, the bus is a much better option for the environment but not so visual in the way of virtue signalling.
Ooh, somebody got out of bed the wrong side today.

How about having another go and playing the ball, instead of the man?

I'll have to have a word with the EWZ though, you clearly know their energy makeup far better than them.
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Boy and here I was thinking we're consuming Swiss energy generated by those four reactors and their hydroelectric plants.....
They do generate electricity too from burning rubbish that cannot be recycled rather than using it for landfill - not many countries in Europe have managed that yet.
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Absolutely, I would be in favour of rolling this out across all things that generate expenses. Sugar tax, smoking tax, alcohol tax - and it should be enough to cover the added expenses incurred to the NHS by said group of people.

I can't wait for the fossil fuel tax tbh; if people actually had to pay to cover what we'll need to spend due to climate change, then everyone would be jumping on the bus!
Actually surprisingly research has shown smoking is beneficial for NHS costs. The reason is that most NHS costs are incurred by old people but smokers, on average, do not get to be old.
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Boy and here I was thinking we're consuming Swiss energy generated by those four reactors and their hydroelectric plants.....
Reading a bit deeper, it seems the energy traded from the EU comes from different sources, though. I'm still shamelessly burning fossil fuels in my little runabout, though.

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They do generate electricity too from burning rubbish that cannot be recycled rather than using it for landfill - not many countries in Europe have managed that yet.
I think it's just for heating rather than electricity.
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Ooh, somebody got out of bed the wrong side today.

How about having another go and playing the ball, instead of the man?

I'll have to have a word with the EWZ though, you clearly know their energy makeup far better than them.
Calm down.
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They do generate electricity too from burning rubbish that cannot be recycled rather than using it for landfill - not many countries in Europe have managed that yet.
I know.... Did I ever write why I love Switzerland and will continue to do so, regardless of whether it will love me back?
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They do generate electricity too from burning rubbish that cannot be recycled rather than using it for landfill - not many countries in Europe have managed that yet.
This seems like a brilliantly straightforward answer to two problems. Is it expensive to implement? I suppose it must be or doesn't generate enough profit or something so other countries haven't done the same.

Off to Google...
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Actually surprisingly research has shown smoking is beneficial for NHS costs. The reason is that most NHS costs are incurred by old people but smokers, on average, do not get to be old.
Jein. You are right on average if we just include the NHS, but smokers cost the govt about £14bn a year and smoking revenues contribute about £12bn...

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...n-england-2015
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This seems like a brilliantly straightforward answer to two problems. Is it expensive to implement? I suppose it must be or doesn't generate enough profit or something so other countries haven't done the same.

Off to Google...
I read once that Holland imports rubbish from Canada to power the power plants, and that this is even considered green energy. That's advanced level hypocrisy
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They do generate electricity too from burning rubbish that cannot be recycled rather than using it for landfill - not many countries in Europe have managed that yet.
Since 2015, EWZ residential mix has been 100% renewable you incorrigible Grumpus

When I move in a year or so, I will be generating and storing most of my own leccy. I do hope you aren't too disappointed.
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This seems like a brilliantly straightforward answer to two problems. Is it expensive to implement? I suppose it must be or doesn't generate enough profit or something so other countries haven't done the same.

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I think it's just for heating rather than electricity.
I edited my earlier post.

Our big boss was having a duck-egg because we weren't fastidiously recycling every sodding thing in the office so I sent him the link that effectively said, "actually the fact you're nice and warm in the office is because we're burning all that lovely rubbish."

But I don't think it's set up to deliver electricity yet.
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This seems like a brilliantly straightforward answer to two problems. Is it expensive to implement? I suppose it must be or doesn't generate enough profit or something so other countries haven't done the same.

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Not sure about initial investment but the payback is pretty impressive.

After the burning, any metal left in the slag can be recovered too.

For Horgen, here's the lowdown on the number of homes powered by the generated electricity and so on.

Here's the diagram of how it works
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I edited my earlier post.

Our big boss was having a duck-egg because we weren't fastidiously recycling every sodding thing in the office so I sent him the link that effectively said, "actually the fact you're nice and warm in the office is because we're burning all that lovely rubbish."

But I don't think it's set up to deliver electricity yet.
What would Tesco say? It was Tesco, no? I don't remember I have seen other bags in my friends' house back in Bristol.

"Every little helps" or something along the line.
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But I don't think it's set up to deliver electricity yet.
Isn't that a bioenergy plant, running on biomass?
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Since 2015, EWZ residential mix has been 100% renewable you incorrigible Grumpus

When I move in a year or so, I will be generating and storing most of my own leccy. I do hope you aren't too disappointed.
Push bike attached to a generator in the garage?
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Not sure about initial investment but the payback is pretty impressive.

After the burning, any metal left in the slag can be recovered too.

For Horgen, here's the lowdown on the number of homes powered by the generated electricity and so on.

Here's the diagram of how it works
Imagine all the Teslas you could power with that!
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