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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 12.01.2020, 19:39
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Is Boris Johnson the more acceptable and slightly more refined version of Trump?....
Interesting question. They look alike (one more orange, the other more talented for awkward photos) but Trump is an entrepreneur while Johnson is a politician.
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Old 12.01.2020, 20:17
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Interesting question. They look alike (one more orange, the other more talented for awkward photos) but Trump is an entrepreneur multiple bankrupt while Johnson is a politician.
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Boris Johnson; it could have been for him that Dr. Johnson coined the phrase ‘Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel’.

I am not sure if describing somebody as a scoundrel is better or worse than describing them as a politician
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Incredible to think that the Withdrawal Agreement sailed through the House of Commons this week with barely a mention. Seems to be a trend that since the General Election that Brexit has very much dropped down the news agenda, showing what a logjam the last Parliament was causing.

I expect this to be the trend, certainly until after the UK has left and the next phase of negotiations begins. The first test for Boris Johnson will be when the EU present their sequencing demands, we'll see then if he really is the man that he says (and we hope) he is!
Don’t you watch the news or read the news sites?
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Boris Johnson; it could have been for him that Dr. Johnson coined the phrase ‘Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel’.

I am not sure if describing somebody as a scoundrel is better or worse than describing them as a politician
funny correction. entrepreneur doesn't mean that someone is always successful. going bankrupt multiple times in bankrupt actually shows entrepreneurial activity.
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funny correction. entrepreneur doesn't mean that someone is always successful. going bankrupt multiple times in bankrupt actually shows entrepreneurial activity.
It was not a correction; I consider my description is more accurate.
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Old 12.01.2020, 21:14
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The only comparison between Boris Johnson and Donald Trump to be made is the irrational nature that certain people react when hearing their names. That said, lets keep Donald Trump's name away from here for the time being. There is like a whole other debate going on full of ludicrous examples of said irrationality, like access to abortion for women in Alabama is comparable the oppression of women in Iran, or that internment of Japanese Americans in 1942 is somehow equivalent or relevant to what's going on in Iran today. If you're interested and want to read some real crazy stuff, go and have a look, you won't believe it!
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Old 12.01.2020, 21:33
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One rather more relevant matter the General Soleimani assassination has raised for the UK post-Brexit is on matters such as this, where should the UK align itself? For along time the UK has straddled some odd center ground whereby on economic matters she has assisted her EU partners (France and Germany) in trying to find ways around US financial sanctions, yet on military matters, traditionally the UK has stood firmly by the USA's side.

I think I would prefer the UK to remain more Eurocentric in its approach to foreign affairs post-Brexit (The current President isn't going to be around forever), however the recent events in Iran has really exposed how weak the EU is in this regard. The Euro is not really used as a reserve currency, and the EU is totally reliant on energy imports. Add to this the problem that there is no real coherent EU foreign policy (apart from development funding ha ha). Nor is there any real hard power that can be drawn on if need be.

It's going to be a tough choice that needs to be made sooner rather than later. Does the UK even want to try and maintain a role in international affairs? Perhaps the best way would be a third way and step back from having a world role. Another interesting aspect to keep an eye on.
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The only comparison between Boris Johnson and Donald Trump to be made is the irrational nature that certain people react when hearing their names. That said, lets keep Donald Trump's name away from here for the time being. There is like a whole other debate going on full of ludicrous examples of said irrationality, like access to abortion for women in Alabama is comparable the oppression of women in Iran, or that internment of Japanese Americans in 1942 is somehow equivalent or relevant to what's going on in Iran today. If you're interested and want to read some real crazy stuff, go and have a look, you won't believe it!
I've read plenty, history and human nature fascinate me. Again: not everyone is defending that regime. Actually, no-one on the other thread/debate that you know..

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It all depends on who you want to protect in the future or at death, yourself, your partner, your children from a previous marriage, future care costs or IHT.

You cant change from tenants in common to joint tenants however it's just a form going the other way.
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Old 12.01.2020, 23:07
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It all depends on who you want to protect in the future or at death, yourself, your partner, your children from a previous marriage, future care costs or IHT.

You cant change from tenants in common to joint tenants however it's just a form going the other way.
AFAIK you get the option to decide every time you sort a house purchase. But is moot, for me anyway.
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Old 12.01.2020, 23:31
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...................Anyway, I'm outta here. Enjoy your doing down of the US and President Trump.
Not long after claiming "I'm outta here"

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The only comparison between Boris Johnson and Donald Trump to be made is the irrational nature that certain people react when hearing their names. That said, lets keep Donald Trump's name away from here for the time being.
There is like a whole other debate going on full of ludicrous examples of said irrationality, like access to abortion for women in Alabama is comparable the oppression of women in Iran, or that internment of Japanese Americans in 1942 is somehow equivalent or relevant to what's going on in Iran today.
If you're interested and want to read some real crazy stuff, go and have a look, you won't believe it!
After losing the discussion in the Trump thread he is now exporting his fact-free opinions here
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Old 13.01.2020, 08:57
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Not long after claiming "I'm outta here"

After losing the discussion in the Trump thread he is now exporting his fact-free opinions here
You do like to provoke don’t you?! At least you’re not the only one! I didn’t “lose” any discussion for your information, I just refuse to engage with irrational bullies that have a mob mentality.

Brexit is a separate discussion yet it didn’t stop a member bringing up Donald Trump’s name (which I suspect was merely another provocation). Much of what was said on the other discussion was such groundless, offensive nonsense that it just doesn’t warrant any sort of response.

I have to keep reminding myself that the internet is not the real world, and some of the power users on this forum seem to be as far removed from that as one can imagine. There is hope though as is displayed on this discussion. There was a very similar atmosphere here before the General Election last year, with equally nonsensical arguments being made. Following the result however it became a lot more quieter, reasonable and more civil. Amazing what a dose of the real world will do for people!
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Old 13.01.2020, 09:09
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You do like to provoke don’t you?! At least you’re not the only one! I didn’t “lose” any discussion for your information, I just refuse to engage with irrational bullies that have a mob mentality.

Brexit is a separate discussion yet it didn’t stop a member bringing up Donald Trump’s name (which I suspect was merely another provocation). Much of what was said on the other discussion was such groundless, offensive nonsense that it just doesn’t warrant any sort of response.

I have to keep reminding myself that the internet is not the real world, and some of the power users on this forum seem to be as far removed from that as one can imagine. There is hope though as is displayed on this discussion. There was a very similar atmosphere here before the General Election last year, with equally nonsensical arguments being made. Following the result however it became a lot more quieter, reasonable and more civil. Amazing what a dose of the real world will do for people!
People have probably backed off because they’re bored of the endless groundless opinion and blinkered view you are attempting to dominate these threads with.

It’s pointless, boring and when someone points out that you are in fact, wrong, and backs it up with links and information you double down with your nonsense.

It was funny in the beginning. Now it’s just tedious noise.

You should start a blog where you can listen to yourself unchallenged.
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You do like to provoke don’t you?! At least you’re not the only one! I didn’t “lose” any discussion for your information, I just refuse to engage with irrational bullies that have a mob mentality.

Brexit is a separate discussion yet it didn’t stop a member bringing up Donald Trump’s name (which I suspect was merely another provocation). Much of what was said on the other discussion was such groundless, offensive nonsense that it just doesn’t warrant any sort of response.

I have to keep reminding myself that the internet is not the real world, and some of the power users on this forum seem to be as far removed from that as one can imagine. There is hope though as is displayed on this discussion. There was a very similar atmosphere here before the General Election last year, with equally nonsensical arguments being made. Following the result however it became a lot more quieter, reasonable and more civil. Amazing what a dose of the real world will do for people!

You do realise that this is a discussion forum where there are plenty of folk who have differing views. I find that folk are often labelled as irrational when the brain froth becomes too saturated. There is no bullying in this case. No "mob mentality" in the disagreements. However there is a group of individuals whose views, in these instances, align/overlap/ concur/ whatever who are just as vocal as you. This isn't a soap box or a monologue arena.

If anything you are the one making endless accusations because, like a frustrated four year old who wants to win, it's not fair, they won't listen, they're not playing properly.

It's very clear to me that the world you think you live in and the one that actually exists are quite different. With some overlap. Need another Venn.

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People have probably backed off because they’re bored of the endless groundless opinion and blinkered view you are attempting to dominate these threads with.

It’s pointless, boring and when someone points out that you are in fact, wrong, and backs it up with links and information you double down with your nonsense.

It was funny in the beginning. Now it’s just tedious noise.

You should start a blog where you can listen to yourself unchallenged.

Exactly this. You are relentlessly, unnecessarily, combative and adamant that anyone not wholeheartedly agreeing with you is some sort of blinkered idiot.

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...Today's nonsense...
That might be the world record for quickest flounce and return in EF history. Welcome back TC!
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Ahem.

Quite a lot of long time posters left because the bullying was getting too bad.

Quite a lot of newbies quit after their first thread because of the bullying.

We definitely do have a bullying problem on the EF. A big bullying problem.

Maybe not everywhere or by everybody, or in all cases. But let's not pretend it doesn't exist. Please.
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We definitely do have a bullying problem on the EF.
Definitely. It remains to debate which bullying is OK and which is not. Double standards - another problem that EF definitely has.

The funny part is that we've asked the mods to come up with a set of "universal" rules and they declined.
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Ahem.

Quite a lot of long time posters left because the bullying was getting too bad.

Quite a lot of newbies quit after their first thread because of the bullying.

We definitely do have a bullying problem on the EF.

Maybe not everywhere or by everybody, or in all cases. But let's not pretend it doesn't exist. Please.
I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm saying it doesn't exist where Tony Clifton says it does. I've edited my previous post to, hopefully, make that clear.

Bullying is vile, pervasive, takes a myriad forms and should be tackled. However hurt feelings do not always equate to bullying. Likewise when a lone voice faces a group it does not necessarily follow that said group is a bullying mob.

Sometimes folk cry "bully" when they are losing an argument/ are disagreed with en masse because, I suppose, it's more of a face saver. I don't know. I do know that false accusations weaken the case for the actual instances of bullying. Of which, I agree, there's an awful lot of on here. Also double standards.
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Quite a lot of long time posters left because the bullying was getting too bad.
I seem to remember a lot of them were a bit too generous with terms like "leftie", "libtard", "social justice warrior", "cuck" and "snowflake" when trying to get their opinion heard on here.
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Ah yes but one is only a snowflake etc when one is deemed to be unnecessarily bothered by stuff other folk are not bothered by...
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