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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
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Old 17.01.2020, 16:02
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The bit before the part in bold probably wasn't considered poverty for Egyptian slaves. We generally hope that society progresses over time.
Yes, but I didn't respond to that. I was referring to differences with the 1950s.
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Old 17.01.2020, 16:24
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What is poverty by today's definition? You don't seem to like the one I found and understood to be accurate because you are greasing the goal posts, so enlighten us.

Teachers are decently paid, it's true, but NQTs are on just over 24k and it can take a long time, especially now, to get over the 30 - 36k mark which is, now apparently the range of the average UK full time salary now. I'd say only about 40% staff in an average school are on more : dept heads and SLT. Is a total guess though. Just thinking of my last dept /school and extrapolating.

Someone did the maths once: it's about 17p per hour per kid. Less if you factor in a 50 plus hour week.

Could be, but I don't think is too far off. Might have been 2019 data I found. Your point?

This.
And then there is the horror of zero-hour contracts
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Old 18.01.2020, 20:50
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UK Min wage £8.21 x 40 x 52 = £17076.80, so NON QUALIFIED Teachers earn 40% more than min wage.
Teachers should not have been used as an example when discussing poverty, NHS do have plenty of min wage employees.
Academy head teachers can earn in excess of £150k with bonus

I don't eat 3 meals a day, it's not that unusual.
NQT is a newly qualified teacher. They are on c. 24 k i think. They won't get much more than min wage for the amount of hours worked per week when actual hours worked are added up. Non-qualified ones earn far less. And usually get paid for 25-30 hours per week, term time only. 8.21 x 30 x 39 = £9605.70.

You brought teaching salaries up, not me.

Agreed. Most admin and auxiliary staff in NHS are paid terribly.

They might be able to earn that in inner London Academies if they are a head of a chain. Unlikely otherwise, plus that is only one person per school. Thet rest will be on 24 - 38, roughly 10 other SLT will be c.50 k.

You might not eat 3 meals a day but then, contrary to a great deal of forum evidence to the contrary, you are not a child. That might be your most crassly idiotic comment yet.

I imagine you can also afford to heat your home and wash in hot water too.

Like others said, it's about nutrition.
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Old 19.01.2020, 00:41
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The UK chancellor, Sajid Javid, said there would be no alignment with EU regulations once Britain’s exit from the European Union was made official.
A strong reaction from the auto industry who say that they cannot sell into the EU countries if the vehicles do not comply with EU regulations and running parallel production lines conforming to different regulations will cost billions. Similar reactions from other manufacturers.
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A strong reaction from the auto industry who say that they cannot sell into the EU countries if the vehicles do not comply with EU regulations and running parallel production lines conforming to different regulations will cost billions. Similar reactions from other manufacturers.
Yes but it's all change in Brexit Britain after she leaves the EU !! For a start there would be no need to
complete the drive for metrication and instead the UK will no doubt set her own standards with the
return of Imperial weights & measures with the British Pint once again reigning supreme.
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A strong reaction from the auto industry who say that they cannot sell into the EU countries if the vehicles do not comply with EU regulations and running parallel production lines conforming to different regulations will cost billions. Similar reactions from other manufacturers.
Doesn't this depend on in what respect regulations would differ?

Automobile manufacturers already today do adapt to local markets. In fact you can even customize quite a lot of stuff as an individual customer. This works because modern manufacturing methods make it easier, not more difficult, to produce multiple sub-variants down to individual orders on the same production line simultaneously.
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Old 21.01.2020, 10:24
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The turkeys that voted for Christmas suddenly objecting to the heat of the oven...

https://twitter.com/june_mummery/sta...bulb-moment%2F
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Old 21.01.2020, 10:36
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You brought teaching salaries up, not me.
I was replying to another poster
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Paying great swathes of the population currently working in the NHS, teaching, etc., a livable wage would reduce the number of at least their kids living in poverty. Much simpler and realistic solution. It's not difficult, and you don't even need to offer drama-llama outbursts about communism, either.
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Old 21.01.2020, 10:43
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Yeah, about that. You weren't.

You picked up on "teacher" and ran down a rabbit hole of irrelevant deflection instead of addressing the actual point. But, hey, Brexit.
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Old 22.01.2020, 09:28
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There's been a lot of positive Brexit news over the past week or so. Thousands of EU firms plan to open UK offices after Brexit, job vacancies up 17% in London, the number of new UK university enrollments from EU countries up 2% and the IMF has now predicted the UK's economic growth will outstrip the Eurozone including France, Germany and Italy. Project Fear, eh!? Only 10 days to go!! 🤗
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Old 22.01.2020, 09:55
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Yeah, about that. You weren't.

You picked up on "teacher" and ran down a rabbit hole of irrelevant deflection instead of addressing the actual point. But, hey, Brexit.
But but he was buuullied!


I don't know, I assume he was.... How else can I explain this peculiar focus on a particular profession and some of its representatives?
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Old 22.01.2020, 10:37
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But but he was buuullied!


I don't know, I assume he was.... How else can I explain this peculiar focus on a particular profession and some of its representatives?
At school? By teachers?
Aha!
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Old 22.01.2020, 10:44
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There's been a lot of positive Brexit news over the past week or so. Thousands of EU firms plan to open UK offices after Brexit, job vacancies up 17% in London, the number of new UK university enrollments from EU countries up 2% and the IMF has now predicted the UK's economic growth will outstrip the Eurozone including France, Germany and Italy. Project Fear, eh!? Only 10 days to go!! 🤗
"Thousands of EU firms..." Really? Literally THOUSANDS? With such massive news I am SURE there's a link you can share, right?
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A strong reaction from the auto industry who say that they cannot sell into the EU countries if the vehicles do not comply with EU regulations and running parallel production lines conforming to different regulations will cost billions.
How do they make RHD cars in LHD factories until now if it's such a problem?

Tom
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At school? By teachers?
Aha!
No, just the attitude of many who are bossy & think they know better. The lady who shall not be named, that lives close to you & is best friends with the chief of police comes to mind.
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I don't know, I assume he was.... How else can I explain this peculiar focus on a particular profession and some of its representatives?
It could be down to regular reading of the Daily Mail?
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The lady who shall not be named, that lives close to you & is best friends with the chief of police comes to mind.
Some people were just born bossy regardless of their profession.
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How do they make RHD cars in LHD factories until now if it's such a problem?

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Maybe because RHD vs LHD is not the problem?

ATM no-one knows where UK standards will move. Could be emissions standards, efficiency, requirements for safety or warning systems.....
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Some people were just born bossy regardless of their profession.
Indeed, but those people are attracted to teaching.
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" the IMF now admit she got it massively wrong and predict post Brexit Britain will leave the rest of Europe in its economic wake. "
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...DrWWAADtQ0E-5M
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