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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 22.01.2020, 18:49
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For anyone who's interested, this is from yesterday's FT...

https://www.ft.com/content/544a0bc8-...a-bae547046735
Could this be the non-alignment with EU that TonyClifton is talking about? So this is a success already in your book, right Tony?
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Old 22.01.2020, 18:54
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You're a camera lens? I reckon you're more Vivitar myself, with a splash of Tamron.
I suppose it's a fancy word for zen. ("I'm so sigma.") Or who knows. Oh, I get it now. She's very different.

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2. Conscious incompetence
3. Conscious competence
4.Unconscious competence.


Effective teachers are at stage four but are continually open to and engaged in further learning or they would soon be back at stage 1. It's basic really.

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Effective teachers also know they're not teachers in every situation and at any given moment of the day. I hope.

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Old 22.01.2020, 19:30
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I suppose it's a fancy word for zen. ("I'm so sigma.") Or who knows. Oh, I get it now. She's very different.
I've no idea. To me, Sigma is a camera lens manufacturer, but to my OH, it's a letter of the Greek alphabet.
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Old 22.01.2020, 19:33
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I've no idea. To me, Sigma is a camera lens manufacturer, but to my OH, it's a letter of the Greek alphabet.
To me it’s a chemical company.
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Old 22.01.2020, 19:34
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I've no idea. To me, Sigma is a camera lens manufacturer, but to my OH, it's a letter of the Greek alphabet.
Lower case sigma means standard deviation.

Capital case sigma means the sum of. Tbh I always think of the second.
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Old 22.01.2020, 19:34
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Non alignment with the EU is a success, ECJ no longer having jurisdiction is a success. Anything else is a bonus.
Non alignment with the EU affects the UK's ability to trade on a level playing field. As far as I'm aware, the ECJ will still have juridiction in the event of an air crash. There's still a long way to go with EASA, which will hopefully be resolved by Jan 2021, but I've heard nothing about a body replacing the role of the ECJ in air crash investigations.
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Old 22.01.2020, 19:59
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I am so sigma.
By this I take it to mean the Urban Dictionary definition.
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Old 22.01.2020, 20:02
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To me it’s a chemical company.
It was a codified metaphor for "being different than the norm"....I suppose.
Seriously, it reminds me of a specific phase in high-school.
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Old 22.01.2020, 20:09
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I only know Six Sigma
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Old 22.01.2020, 20:11
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Don’t accuse me of something when you’ve obviously not done it yourselves. If you had you would see the data was released on the 16th January. It is the latest statistics that are available!! Or are you expecting for 2019/2020 data 22 days into the new year?!

https://www.hesa.ac.uk/news/16-01-20...ent-statistics
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I suppose it's a fancy word for zen. ("I'm so sigma.") Or who knows. Oh, I get it now. She's very different.



Effective teachers also know they're not teachers in every situation and at any given moment of the day. I hope.
Standard deviation i think.

One would hope so. Most of the time I'm just Mumma. The hours are shit but the job satisfaction is unbeatable.
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Old 22.01.2020, 20:41
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Standard deviation i think.

One would hope so. Most of the time I'm just Mumma. The hours are shit but the job satisfaction is unbeatable.
I think your students are very lucky!
My question was rhetorical. It seems only some teachers tend to forget they're not always in that position. I like it when people are passionate about their profession or hobby (whatever that is) and share some things about it, but only when it's delivered with some sort of modesty. I like reading your posts on teaching and education systems btw. And their inherent problems or challenges. Even when these posts answer questions that are obviously provocative for the sake of being provocative. Kudos to you.

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Old 22.01.2020, 21:18
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By this I take it to mean the Urban Dictionary definition.
You mean this one?

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Old 23.01.2020, 10:26
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what do you mean non-alignment with EU? BJ want to get a trade deal with EU which would requite certain alignment. Or you mean scrap any trade deal and trade only with NZ and AUS?
This is incorrect, a good tread deal just requires mutual recognition agreements as is the case in the trade deal the EU has with Canada. Alignment isn’t mandatory.
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Non alignment with the EU affects the UK's ability to trade on a level playing field. As far as I'm aware, the ECJ will still have juridiction in the event of an air crash. There's still a long way to go with EASA, which will hopefully be resolved by Jan 2021, but I've heard nothing about a body replacing the role of the ECJ in air crash investigations.
I’d be willing to live with the ECJ looking after air crash investigations considering how often they take place. The key thing is that the ECJ is no longer has supremacy to the UK courts. This is critical and one of the main reasons I voted for Brexit. I also believe, though one could never prove it, deep down this has always been the foundation for the UK’s euroscepticism. The role and supremacy of the ECJ has always sat uneasily with the UK’s unique constitution. The largely unwritten UK constitution is based on the common law which has a bottom up approach derived from precedents. Most of European law, and certainly the EU, is based on the ancient Roman model of the top down approach where laws are made and have to be followed.

The difference in the systems is key: in the UK, everything that is not forbidden is allowed, in Europe only that which is granted is allowed. It’s a critical difference which I believe has always sat uneasy with the British people (even if they don’t directly realise it!). Now add to this how the EU is run and then one sees what a fundamentally dangerous institution it is to the rule of law, certainly from a UK perspective). I would go as far to say that there is no rule of law there! The rules are made up as they go along by officials who are totally invulnerable to being held to account by the ballot box. What’s worse, when they don’t like the own rules they’ve made, they just ignore them! They ignore the fiscal rules on running budget deficits, they ignore their own rules on how officials are appointed, but probably the best example is that with the bailouts whereby they ignored something that specifically prohibited by their own treaties!

Which is why for me, this is the success of Brexit. To be away from the shackles of the EU is the triumph. Anything else is a bonus.
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Old 23.01.2020, 10:56
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This is incorrect, a good tread deal just requires mutual recognition agreements as is the case in the trade deal the EU has with Canada. Alignment isn’t mandatory.
You cannot have a MRA with one country in EU and not with another due to the free flow of goods within EU. The MRA has to be with the whole block which, naturally, will force certain alignment. Let me give you an example why what you think will work will never work. Say, you get a MRA with France for baby strollers. Now, a UK based baby stroller producer can export to France without changing his product specs to adhere to the French standard. The problem is, that once this stroller is in France, it could easily end up in Germany as there's free movement of goods between the countries. However, the stroller is not compliant with the German standard and hence illegal.
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Say, you get a MRA with France for baby strollers. Now, a UK based baby stroller producer can export to France without changing his product specs to adhere to the French standard. The problem is, that once this stroller is in France, it could easily end up in Germany as there's free movement of goods between the countries. However, the stroller is not compliant with the German standard and hence illegal.
Been chuckling at this post and wondering if you had the same safety standards alignment training that I did

I and my union colleagues had 3 separate lots of training with the DTI's (Department for Trade & Industry) advisor to No.10 when Blair was PM. One week was about the introduction of the EU Working Time Directive and health and safety alignment changes. By utter coincidence, the example given was baby strollers. EU minimum standards for alignment were explained and, at the time, it was Italian manufacturers who went the furthest above and beyond the prescribed minimums. An unexpected side effect to our rolling out of the Directive and giving guidline examples, was Italian baby strollers becoming extremely popular with our work force.
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Been chuckling at this post and wondering if you had the same safety standards alignment training that I did

I and my union colleagues had 3 separate lots of training with the DTI's (Department for Trade & Industry) advisor to No.10 when Blair was PM. One week was about the introduction of the EU Working Time Directive and health and safety alignment changes. By utter coincidence, the example given was baby strollers. EU minimum standards for alignment were explained and, at the time, it was Italian manufacturers who went the furthest above and beyond the prescribed minimums. An unexpected side effect to our rolling out of the Directive and giving guidline examples, was Italian baby strollers becoming extremely popular with our work force.
I think my OH had the same training! He would only look a Italian buggies... we bought one from Germany when living in Basel.
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You cannot have a MRA with one country in EU and not with another due to the free flow of goods within EU. The MRA has to be with the whole block which, naturally, will force certain alignment. Let me give you an example why what you think will work will never work. Say, you get a MRA with France for baby strollers. Now, a UK based baby stroller producer can export to France without changing his product specs to adhere to the French standard. The problem is, that once this stroller is in France, it could easily end up in Germany as there's free movement of goods between the countries. However, the stroller is not compliant with the German standard and hence illegal.
I don't know where you came to the idea that I said MRAs could be made made with individual countries within the EU. Oh well!
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Cracking article that goes some way to breaking down the next stage of Brexit:

'Brexit 2020: Everything you need to know about Boris Johnson's trade deal nightmare'
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/202...johnson-s-trad
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