The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[greenmount]

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	I think my OH had the same training! He would only look a Italian buggies... we bought one from Germany when living in Basel.

Britax Römer all the way for us.

[gaburko]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I don't know where you came to the idea that I said MRAs could be made made with individual countries within the EU. Oh well!

My point exactly, they cant. And since they can't, BJ needs to get an agreement signed with the Europeam Commission. The EC will revert to the specific EU Agencies to ensure that the agreement proposed is in line with the EU regulations for the given sector. Hence, it will drive alignment . You can imagine who will have the weaker hand in this discussion right?

[k_and_e]

What would motivate a UK company post Brexit actually not to make products any more that comply to EU standards (or any other standard in an important market)? I don't understand the point.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Cracking article that goes some way to breaking down the next stage of Brexit: 'Brexit 2020: Everything you need to know about Boris Johnson's trade deal nightmare' https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/202...johnson-s-trad

That's quite a sobering article. If nothing else, it speaks volumes that virtually everything has been dropped from the negotiating table except trade because the 11 month timetable to departure is so short.

Botch job.

[fatmanfilms]

Interesting article

https://unherd.com/2020/01/both-brex...vcQ2IXALdk352A

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Interesting article https://unherd.com/2020/01/both-brex...vcQ2IXALdk352A

It squawks the word "liberal" like it's a comma. Come on, it's such an hysterical fact-free load of bilge. I'm surprised you are holding it up as a serious piece of information...

Even the links in the article are archaic.

[marton]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	What would motivate a UK company post Brexit actually not to make products any more that comply to EU standards (or any other standard in an important market)? I don't understand the point.

If as Javed implies the UK will create regulations that are different from the corresponding EU regulations then companies have basically three options;
Continue to make EU compliant products and not sell in the UK
Make UK compliant products and not sell in the EU
Set up two production lines which is the most expensive option and the one that UK companies are complaining about.

[gaburko]

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	It squawks the word "liberal" like it's a comma. Come on, it's such an hysterical fact-free load of bilge. I'm surprised you are holding it up as a serious piece of information... Even the links in the article are archaic.

It's actually a pretty revealing piece of bilge. It's basically saying "yes, we've screwed up, but there's also other guys that screwed up". Essentially, fighting depression by finding someone more depressed than you.

	Quote:	gaburko
	It's actually a pretty revealing piece of bilge. It's basically saying "yes, we've screwed up, but there's also other guys that screwed up". Essentially, fighting depression by finding someone more depressed than you.

Yes, it is very revealing when we point out facts about the UK economy tanking and the reply on here is "Yes, it's great news because Germany might be doing worse". Very revealing indeed.

[Blueangel]

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	That's quite a sobering article. If nothing else, it speaks volumes that virtually everything has been dropped from the negotiating table except trade because the 11 month timetable to departure is so short. Botch job.

Exactly. 'Bare bones' being my key takeaway.

From the beginning, my barometer of progress has been the air travel industry because it's the last one I worked in, so seeing EASA getting so many mentions fills me with dread. Things are looking good at Broughton but I'll have one eye on them for the next few years. https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nor...-news-17536390

[fatmanfilms]

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	Yes, it is very revealing when we point out facts about the UK economy tanking and the reply on here is "Yes, it's great news because Germany might be doing worse". Very revealing indeed.

Using the EU's power house as a benchmark is a pretty good starting point, The UK has trailed Germany for most of the past 40 years to put things in perspective.

[gaburko]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The UK has trailed Germany for most of the past 40 years to put things in perspective.

Still does, by a full trillion. To put things in perspective

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Interesting article https://unherd.com/2020/01/both-brex...vcQ2IXALdk352A

Why didn’t the story pasted that was written by arch Remainer Ian Dunt, famous for his emotional social media Brexit breakdowns, come in for the same criticism that this did?

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	marton
	If as Javed implies the UK will create regulations that are different from the corresponding EU regulations then companies have basically three options; Continue to make EU compliant products and not sell in the UK Make UK compliant products and not sell in the EU Set up two production lines which is the most expensive option and the one that UK companies are complaining about.

I wonder how those UK companies sell their products outside the EU now.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I wonder how those UK companies sell their products outside the EU now.

I suppose either the other markets they sell into have equivalent or lower than EU standards in which case they can sell one EU version of the product worldwide, or, the other markets demand higher than EU standards and either they make two versions (one inferior EU and one superior worldwide) or more likely one version to the highest standard which satisfies the EU and the RoW.

It's quite difficult to generalize accurately - would be better if you set forth some examples.

The Brexiteers' irony of course is, that for many products, the EU standards will be the highest in the world, so despite leaving the EU, we'll still be beholden to their standards; so not taking back any control.

[k_and_e]

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	I suppose either the other markets they sell into have equivalent or lower than EU standards in which case they can sell one EU version of the product worldwide, or, the other markets demand higher than EU standards and either they make two versions (one inferior EU and one superior worldwide) or more likely one version to the highest standard which satisfies the EU and the RoW. It's quite difficult to generalize accurately - would be better if you set forth some examples. The Brexiteers' irony of course is, that for many products, the EU standards will be the highest in the world, so despite leaving the EU, we'll still be beholden to their standards; so not taking back any control.

Even within the EU there are many standards.

Take cars as an example:
- LHD or RHD
- Language versions
- Cold and warm climate versions

It's actually mostly a matter of good product design to manage this cost-efficiently.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Why didn’t the story pasted that was written by arch Remainer Ian Dunt, famous for his emotional social media Brexit breakdowns, come in for the same criticism that this did?

Maybe because it’s not full of shrill, shrieking hysterics?

[John William]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Here you go! I'm sure if you would have just googled what I wrote then you would have found it. https://monitor.icef.com/2020/01/for...6-for-2018-19/ Why all the doom and gloom, friend? Don't limit your view of the world through the prism of the media. Statistics show us that now has never been a better time to be alive than today. Humans are living longer, richer, better fed, better educated, healthier than at any point in time. Things are only getting better!

Tell me did you write Donald Trumps opening speech for him at Davos ??

Maybe, just maybe we might allow ourselves to get more optimistic for the future, if average global temperatures around
the world were to stop rising or even be proved to be going in reverse, the Icelandic regions stopped melting and
nuclear weapons and the means for producing them and other weapons of mass destruction was wiped off the
face of the earth.

You only have to look at Putin and Russia's new hypersonic missiles to know that things are not looking good on
that front either.
Instead it's only a question of when and not if the human race faces extinction like the dinosaurs.

[gaburko]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I wonder how those UK companies sell their products outside the EU now.

Simples! The EU has multiple trade agreements and the logo "Made in EU" has more weight than "Made in Liverpool". Probably doesn't seem to be the case if you're in Liverpool, but this is the way things actually move.
BJ WILL align with the EU, he has no other pragmatic choice and as much as he plays tough and bully he's actually pretty docile now and realizes he hasn't much cards to play. Also, bear in mind that very soon the EU will negotiate with London being treated as an outsider and London is neither the biggest, nor the most important trading partner of EU. Not to mention that for some industries (agriculture, carmaking, fishing, etc) London is a direct competitor so expect less than equal treatment

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	gaburko
	Simples! The EU has multiple trade agreements and the logo "Made in EU" has more weight than "Made in Liverpool". Probably doesn't seem to be the case if you're in Liverpool, but this is the way things actually move. BJ WILL align with the EU, he has no other pragmatic choice and as much as he plays tough and bully he's actually pretty docile now and realizes he hasn't much cards to play. Also, bear in mind that very soon the EU will negotiate with London being treated as an outsider and London is neither the biggest, nor the most important trading partner of EU. Not to mention that for some industries (agriculture, carmaking, fishing, etc) London is a direct competitor so expect less than equal treatment

Made in EU has a value of zero. Contrary to Made in Germany or Made in Switzerland.