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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Back to reality, just 1 week to go, how exciting.
To go....where?

Genuine question.


I get the excitement, it seems like a new beginning etc (for Brexiteers) but it's not like there are some palpable goals in sight.

I would be more excited if I wasn't allowed to do something before Brexit, and I am now. (if I were a Brexiter)
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Old 24.01.2020, 10:45
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And for a standard: electricity sockets and plugs of course.
Again, this is not a standard as shown by UK, Malta, Cyprus, Ireland etc having the square plug instead.

Indeed the EU has twice rejected making this a standard, realizing how much it would cost (and how long it would take) to standardize this across the EU.

Might be a bit easier and cheaper after next weekend though
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Old 24.01.2020, 12:00
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Someone has had some fun and Farted In The General Direction of the daily Express. (you might have to look carefully )

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To go....where?

Genuine question.
Back to 1958.
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Someone has had some fun and Farted In The General Direction of the daily Express. (you might have to look carefully )

Is that the real front page? If it is, it's a lovely thing.
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Is that the real front page? If it is, it's a lovely thing.
They've taken it down now and, like many entities rumbled for making an arse of themselves through prioritising point-scoring over sense, made a tactical decision to ignore and gloss over.
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Old 24.01.2020, 12:20
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Again, this is not a standard as shown by UK, Malta, Cyprus, Ireland etc having the square plug instead.

Indeed the EU has twice rejected making this a standard, realizing how much it would cost (and how long it would take) to standardize this across the EU.

Might be a bit easier and cheaper after next weekend though
It's even less standard than that.

Italy:



France:



Germany:



... and so on.

But good news!!! Now that the UK is leaving the EU, they won't have to follow that oppressive standard any longer!
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Old 24.01.2020, 13:29
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He wasn’t sat in a press gallery on election night! The lack of self awareness he showed in that twitter thread was astonishing! (I’ve put the link below)

The article you posted made some interesting points, but it shouldn’t be forgotten that the author is an arch Remainer who firmly fits in to the category of someone who will never admit they were wrong even if Brexit turns out to be a roaring success.

Fatmanfilm’s article was also interesting and linked to the sources to back up the arguments that were being made. I thought that was something that was highly valued on englishforum.ch?!
Do you believe that Britain is a fascist state?
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Old 24.01.2020, 13:32
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Indeed the EU has twice rejected making this a standard, realizing how much it would cost (and how long it would take) to standardize this across the EU.

Might be a bit easier and cheaper after next weekend though
How?
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Old 24.01.2020, 13:51
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How?
Was a little bit of ribaldry about us leaving the EU.
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Old 24.01.2020, 14:03
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BJ is courting African leaders these days. Makes promises he has no intention to keep (e.g. relaxing immigration from African states. What he promises now was never impeded by the EU, but perhaps the Africans don't know). Let's see whom will he be courting next and what his sweet words will be. It's poker.
Just a little titbit of info for you...

21 of the 54 African countries were represented at the first ever UK-Africa Summit last week. https://www.africanews.com/2020/01/2...it-in-london//

Almost 50 African countries were represented at the Russia-Africa Summit last October. https://www.africanews.com/2019/10/2...frica-summit//

All 54 African countries were represented at the 3rd annual China-Africa Summit in 2018, and 53 of the 54 were represented at the first China-Africa Economic and Trade Expo in China in 2019. http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/201..._138116152.htm

One of the primary reasons that the attendance was far higher for the China Expo is that China paid for the representatives to attend.


My OH has had one eye on China's 'tech colonisation' of Africa since the beginning of 2015 when this project was announced to develop Gauteng (where he was raised) and all his friend from Johannesburg were talking about it in early 2015 because it would mean completely demolishing the area they grew up in. https://businesstech.co.za/news/gene...ity-is-coming/ .

The project was abandoned a few years later. https://businesstech.co.za/news/prop...on-smart-city/
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Just a little titbit of info for you...

21 of the 54 African countries were represented at the first ever UK-Africa Summit last week. https://www.africanews.com/2020/01/2...it-in-london//

Almost 50 African countries were represented at the Russia-Africa Summit last October. https://www.africanews.com/2019/10/2...frica-summit//

All 54 African countries were represented at the 3rd annual China-Africa Summit in 2018, and 53 of the 54 were represented at the first China-Africa Economic and Trade Expo in China in 2019. http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/201..._138116152.htm

One of the primary reasons that the attendance was far higher for the China Expo is that China paid for the representatives to attend.


My OH has had one eye on China's 'tech colonisation' of Africa since the beginning of 2015 when this project was announced to develop Gauteng (where he was raised) and all his friend from Johannesburg were talking about it in early 2015 because it would mean completely demolishing the area they grew up in. https://businesstech.co.za/news/gene...ity-is-coming/ .

The project was abandoned a few years later. https://businesstech.co.za/news/prop...on-smart-city/
Thanks.
In my opinion all these (potential) investments have nothing to do with the EU membership. The summit could have been organised long ago. BJ is a bit melodramatic (imho) as if EU had prevented every country to invest somewhere else....don't know, it looks like he is presenting these summits as a big victory against EU.
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Thanks.
In my opinion all these (potential) investments have nothing to do with the EU membership. The summit could have been organised long ago. BJ is a bit melodramatic (imho) as if EU had prevented every country to invest somewhere else....don't know, it looks like he is presenting these summits as a big victory against EU.
Right, so BREXIT means easier investment in Africa - outward investment, more jobs for Africa.
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Right, so BREXIT means easier investment in Africa - outward investment, more jobs for Africa.
As an investor, far better to make stuff in Africa than in the EU, wages are far lower. Reduce serious poverty into the bargain.
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As an investor, far better to make stuff in Africa than in the EU, wages are far lower. Reduce serious poverty into the bargain.
Oh, so Brexit is about eradicating hunger and poverty?

Why not create those jobs in the UK? Don't the British need jobs too?
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Oh, so Brexit is about eradicating hunger and poverty?

Why not create those jobs in the UK? Don't the British need jobs too?
I think it was a general statement, independent of Brexit.
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I think it was a general statement, independent of Brexit.
Exactly. The decision to invest or not to invest somewhere else other than EU could have been taken / investments could have been made/it has been done before. So what exactly has been changed?
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In my opinion all these (potential) investments have nothing to do with the EU membership. The summit could have been organised long ago. BJ is a bit melodramatic (imho) as if EU had prevented every country to invest somewhere else....don't know, it looks like he is presenting these summits as a big victory against EU.
Exactly.

When the summit was reported on UK news last week, my OH laughed and said he'd be surprised if many took it seriously in Africa because of the huge mistrust many African nations have for UK involvement and endeavours on the continent, same as the huge mistrust many ME countries have for the UK. He cited an example which I'd never heard of before, the assasination of Patrice Lumumba in 1961. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-22006446

I can't help but wonder if trade with African nations was a lot more possible under the umbella of the EU rather than as the UK, which could possibly resurrect many old hatreds and suspicions.
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As an investor, far better to make stuff in Africa than in the EU, wages are far lower. Reduce serious poverty into the bargain.
The poorest countries in Africa already had zero tariffs via the EU - we could have been doing that already had we really cared to.
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Do you believe that Britain is a fascist state?
Of course not, why ask such a question?
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