The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	As an investor, far better to make stuff in Africa than in the EU, wages are far lower. Reduce serious poverty into the bargain.

Ah so there we have it then, BREXIT was all about improving conditions in other countries then.

[gaburko]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	As an investor, far better to make stuff in Africa than in the EU, wages are far lower. Reduce serious poverty into the bargain.

I take it you haven't done much business there. There are, of course, myriad problems doing business in Africa but it could be summed up in one (well, ok, two) words: transaction cost. To give you a simple example. When Gunter the entrepreneur from Geneva, sends a truck with goods to Zurich he can estimate with a 99% probability the time and the cost. When Walter, an entrepreneur in Nairobi sends his goods to Kinshasa he has no clue either about the cost, nor about the time, but even worse, he actually gambles if his goods will ever reach the destination. If they don't his ability to retrieve his investment via the courts is virtually 0

[Jim2007]

Revealed: complex post-Brexit checks for Northern Irish traders

This was the document that Boris told business leaders they could throw in the bin....

And back on the mainland manufacturing companies are discovering the safety and security certificate required it the UK deviates from EU standards will be problematic at Dover....

This is going to be such an easy trade deal.... not.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	gaburko
	Simples! The EU has multiple trade agreements and the logo "Made in EU" has more weight than "Made in Liverpool". Probably doesn't seem to be the case if you're in Liverpool, but this is the way things actually move. BJ WILL align with the EU, he has no other pragmatic choice and as much as he plays tough and bully he's actually pretty docile now and realizes he hasn't much cards to play. Also, bear in mind that very soon the EU will negotiate with London being treated as an outsider and London is neither the biggest, nor the most important trading partner of EU. Not to mention that for some industries (agriculture, carmaking, fishing, etc) London is a direct competitor so expect less than equal treatment

I agree. And IMHO it won't be the Brexit some people hoped for (on EF too but that's not relevant in the grand scheme of things, so my comment is in general).

[greenmount]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	I am sorry, Blueangel, but they can make any claims they wish. Would you like to ban people who disagree with you and don't rush into communication despite your demands and entitlement? They will, though, if you are sincere and invite the communication. I haven't seen that just now. Nor in your answer to me, so take my reply as a gesture of good will.

Maybe you don't perceive it that way, but your post is actually way more aggressive than Blueangel's question/demand as you put it. She didn't insult the other poster, you kind of did though. That's no good will. Far from it.
Asking someone to provide a source for some data they emphatically presented as truth is not entitlement.
Perhaps she could have made the request more diplomatically, but so could you. Maybe people are tired of reading the same old, same old things which aren't even correct. I find it rather sad that you believe people can make any claims they wish and get by unchallanged. I know it's just an online forum, but still...at the end of the day it is what we make it to be.
In my opinion this strategy to polarise the forum is neither pleasant nor helpful.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	As an investor, far better to make stuff in Africa than in the EU, wages are far lower. Reduce serious poverty into the bargain.

Outsourcing manufacturing to Africa has not proven to be successful, some reasons here.

Africa needs to make major investments in infrastructure to be an attractive outsourcing destination.

[marton]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	........ And for a standard: electricity sockets and plugs of course.

You don't get out much do you?

Do you think the UK will have a lot of success in selling products to the EU with the UK three pin plug?
In addition to the UK plug, there are five different standard plug types in Europe.

[marton]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	I am sorry, Blueangel, but they can make any claims they wish. Would you like to ban people who disagree with you and don't rush into communication despite your demands and entitlement? They will, though, if you are sincere and invite the communication. I haven't seen that just now. Nor in your answer to me, so take my reply as a gesture of good will.

If people make a claim that is phrased to look like they are quoting a fact then it is reasonable to ask them for their source. Of course, they always have the possibility to answer that it was their opinion which is an OK answer.

	Quote:	marton
	If people make a claim that is phrased to look like they are quoting a fact then it is reasonable to ask them for their source. Of course, they always have the possibility to answer that it was their opinion which is an OK answer.

Exactly this. But certain posters have long been stating opinion as fact and getting shirty when challenged.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Of course not, why ask such a question?

Because of this statement you made about the article FMF posted...

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Fatmanfilm’s article was also interesting and linked to the sources to back up the arguments that were being made. I thought that was something that was highly valued on englishforum.ch?!

If you'd read the article in full, you'd have read this...

'Although Britain has fallen to fascism, it curiously remains by most measurements one of the least racist countries... ' which is just a pathetic piece of 'ironic' prose.

...and this...
'Britain is also unique among European countries in having a tiny education gap between the children of natives and immigrants, whereas in every continental country it is large.' which links to a paper from April 2015

...and this...
'The last mass murder of protesters in England occurred in 1819, when 18 people were killed by authorities in Manchester;'
Again, utterly lazy journalism. Why not state Peterloo Massacre and that the people who commited it were a cavalry regiment, not 'authorities'.

... and this...
'Had anything even vaguely comparable happened during the US Civil Rights era it would have been the subject of about 500 films'
The writer has clearly never heard of the Orangeburg Massacre, or was the number of fatalities not enough to exite his fevered pen.

All in all, this article is shoddy at best, and I really don't understand why you would extoll it's virtues.

[John William]

Well let me see now only a little over 6 days to go before the devaluation of the DVLA's British driving
license, on the European continent begins on Brexit day.

Just think a driving license issued by a former Spanish, South American colony turned banana republic,
has more no quibble license exchange value in an EU member state than the worth of a British
driving license after Brexit. Still chin up Moggers, your always welcome in your old jalopy, that passes
for a classic car on the Continent.

Finally don't forget your IDP cards tourists, you might be needing them soon !!

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	Well let me see now only a little over 6 days to go before the devaluation of the DVLA's British driving license, on the European continent begins on Brexit day. Just think a driving license issued by a former Spanish, South American colony turned banana republic, has more no quibble license exchange value in an EU member state than the worth of a British driving license after Brexit. Still chin up Moggers, your always welcome in your old jalopy, that passes for a classic car on the Continent. Finally don't forget your IDP cards tourists !!

If I can legally have an EU license & UK license what's not to like?

I exchanged my UK license for CH then Exchanged to E.U. DVLA website says my UK license is still valid.

[John William]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	If I can legally have an EU license & UK license what's not to like? I exchanged my UK license for CH then Exchanged to E.U. DVLA website says my UK license is still valid.

Yes for those less fortunate than yourself and arrived after Brexit, it will be a case of do you remember
the Good Old Days !!

Still nothing to stop them going back to nursery school and resitting their Driving test & in
a different language as well, Lol.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	Yes for those less fortunate than yourself and arrived after Brexit, it will be a case of do you remember the Good Old Days !! Still nothing to stop them going back to nursery school and resitting their Driving test & in a different language as well, Lol.

You can take driving tests in multiple languages throughout the EU & UK, it's not as if a driving test is very difficult to pass. It's a minimum requirement to be safe on the road.

[John William]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	You can take driving tests in multiple languages throughout the EU & UK, it's not as if a driving test is very difficult to pass. It's a minimum requirement to be safe on the road.

Anyway thanks for agreeing that for those moving to an EU country after Brexit, they cannot simply exchange
their British driving licenses as they used when the UK was a member of the EU.

They have to take their new home nations driving test.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	Anyway thanks for agreeing that for those moving to an EU country after Brexit, they cannot simply exchange their British driving licenses as they used when the UK was a member of the EU. They have to take their new home nations driving test.

I have not agreed with anything, UK may well stay on the list of exchangeable licenses. Switzerland has accepted the exchange of UK licenses for a very long time, way before FOM.

It's just a control drive, not a driving test at least in CH for non exchangeable licenses. US license can be exchanged & it's not in the EU, whereas an Indian one can't. Perhaps it is to do with the standard of test & not only EU / non EU.

[John William]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I have not agreed with anything, UK may well stay on the list of exchangeable licenses. Switzerland has accepted the exchange of UK licenses for a very long time, way before FOM. It's just a control drive, not a driving test at least in CH for non exchangeable licenses. US license can be exchanged & it's not in the EU, whereas an Indian one can't. Perhaps it is to do with the standard of test & not only EU / non EU.

All along I've been talking about British citizens moving to an EU country after Brexit and no longer being able
to exchange their driving licenses, not Switzerland !!

[AquoIcePostCH]

	Quote:	John William
	All along I've been talking about British citizens moving to an EU country after Brexit and exchanging their driving licenses, not Switzerland !!

As I understand things, nothing changes for people moving after Brexit. Only after the transition period is over the rules will change.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	All along I've been talking about British citizens moving to an EU country after Brexit and no longer being able to exchange their driving licenses, not Switzerland !!

We will have to wait & see, all sorts of things have been talked about.

My Grandmother was able to get a French Driving License without doing a test in 1950, she had a UK license at the time.

[John William]

Why one Spanish citizen living in the UK will be celebrating Brexit day on the 31st Jan

Yes for Clara Ponsati who teaches at St Andrews University in Scotland, Brexit day could
very well mean immunity from prosecution by the Spanish authorities and an end
to Spains ability to prosecute her.

Clara who is appealing against Spain's extradition request to the Scottish authorities
for her to be extradited back to Spain; faces charges of Sedition for her part in
helping to organise ( while Education Minister in the Catalan Regional Govt ) the
Catalan Independence referendum back in October 2017 which Madrid declared
illegal.

By a strange quirk of fate arising as a result of the UK leaving the EU and therefore
vacating their share of the MEP seats in the European Parliament.
New MEP seats have already been allocated to the remaining EU27 states, one
of them being Spain ( from the results of last years EU Parliamentary Elections )
where Spain has already been awarded 5 extra seats in the EU Parliament.

The Spanish Electoral Commision has already confirmed that Clara Ponsati
will be one their 5 new MEP's to have a seat in the European Parliament
after Brexit day.

BBC News - Ponsanti's new role as an MEP could halt extradition after Brexit