The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	Why one Spanish citizen living in the UK will be celebrating Brexit day on the 31st Jan Yes for Clara Ponsati who teaches at St Andrews University in Scotland, Brexit day could very well mean immunity from prosecution by the Spanish authorities and an end to Spains ability to prosecute her. Clara who is appealing against Spain's extradition request to the Scottish authorities for her to be extradited back to Spain; faces charges of Sedition for her part in helping to organise ( while Education Minister in the Catalan Regional Govt ) the Catalan Independence referendum back in October 2017 which Madrid declared illegal. By a strange quirk of fate arising as a result of the UK leaving the EU and therefore vacating their share of the MEP seats in the European Parliament. New MEP seats have already been allocated to the remaining EU27 states, one of them being Spain ( from the results of last years EU Parliamentary Elections ) where Spain has already been awarded 5 extra seats in the EU Parliament. The Spanish Electoral Commision has already confirmed that Clara Ponsati will be one their 5 new MEP's to have a seat in the European Parliament after Brexit day. BBC News - Ponsanti's new role as an MEP could halt extradition after Brexit

The artical starts 'An academic at a Scottish university may escape extradition to Spain because she is to become a member of the European parliament.

Hardly a reason to celebrate as it's a possibility not a certainty.

[John William]

	Quote:	AquoIcePostCH
	As I understand things, nothing changes for people moving after Brexit. Only after the transition period is over the rules will change.

Sorry but Spain for one has made it abundently clear that no British driving license held by British
citizens living in Spain will be exchanged unless they submitted their application to exchange
their British driving license for a Spanish one before January 31st 2020.

Quote from the following DGT - Trafico link:

The DGT implements a protocol that allows you to exchange your UK permit to the Spanish equivalent under the same conditions prior to BREXIT , without having to wait for the signing of a new agreement between countries, or having to obtain a new one Spanish driving license.
To do this, you must be a driver's license of the United Kingdom, have your habitual residence in Spain and submit the application before January 31 , 2020 . In this way, whatever happens that day, you will be guaranteed to attend to the exchange of your permit for a period of 9 months from the BREXIT date.

https://sede.dgt.gob.es/es/permisos-...k/index.shtml#


From the DVLA - Driving in the EU after Brexit: driving license exchange website

Austria

You should exchange your driving licence before the UK leaves the EU.


Cyprus

You should exchange your driving licence before the UK leaves the EU.


Denmark

You should exchange your driving licence before the UK leaves the EU.


Germany

You should exchange your driving licence before the UK leaves the EU.


Ireland

You should exchange your driving licence before the UK leaves the EU.


Italy

You should exchange your driving licence before the UK leaves the EU.


Liechtenstein

You should exchange your driving licence before the UK leaves the EU.


Norway

You should exchange your driving licence before the UK leaves the EU.


Sweden

You should exchange your driving licence before the UK leaves the EU.


Gov.UK - DVLA guidance, driving in the EU after Brexit

[John William]

Brexit - the final countdown - here's the agenda for the week ahead in the European Parliament.

Monday 27th January:

Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice & Home Affairs:

17:00 to 18:30 - Joint debate on Brexit related matters:
Report on Brexit: Refugee protection and asylum policy of the EU Affairs
Commitee of the House of Lords, presented by Lord Michael Jay, Chair
of the Committee.

Family reunification post-Brexit - exchange of views with Jon Featonby,
Policy & Advocacy Manager ( Refugees and Asylum ) of the British Red Cross.

No deal Brexit preparedness concerning family reunification under Dublin III
Regulation - question for oral answer to the Commission by Claude Moraes
( S&D, UK ) - presented by the Commission under Rule 138.


Wednesday 29th January:

Press Conference in Brussels from 10:00 to 10:30 called Brexodos presented
by Nigel Farage and Paul-Henri Spaak. Always good for a laugh !!



18:00 hrs:
Withdrawal Agreement of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
from the European Union and the European Atomic Energy Committe.
Report by Guy Verhofstadt to the European Parliament.

18:00 hrs - The time of The European Parliaments final debate and vote on the
Withdrawal Agreement. To enter into force, any withdrawal agreement between
the EU and the UK needs to be approved by MEP's by a simple majority of votes cast.

18:15 - 23:00 Debates at the end of votes. This could be Nigel Farage's finest hour
and his last as The Brexit Party exit from politics.

[curley]

Brexodus?
LOL[

I picture the channel packed with Brits swimming to the mainland and the folks at the "jungle" in Calais flabbergasted.

[marton]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Then call it a product variation, perhaps more accurate. You see it especially with food. THe same products often look and taste different in other countries. And for a standard: electricity sockets and plugs of course.

Volvo warns today if UK splits from EU rules certifying some cars for UK market would not be worth cost

[John William]

	Quote:	curley
	Brexodus? LOL[ I picture the channel packed with Brits swimming to the mainland and the folks at the "jungle" in Calais flabbergasted.

Yes I can just picture the scene with Nigel Farage as a latter day Moses, leading his Brexit Party
of former MEP's to the promised land of a Britain outside the EU & waiting at Calais for a sign that
divine providence is on their side; for a parting of the seas of the English Channel, so his Brexiteers
can cross to a new Elizabethan Age in post Brexit Britain.

The only fly in the ointment is that there's a long queue to pass through border control, down
the Non-EU side of the channel.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Because of this statement you made about the article FMF posted... If you'd read the article in full, you'd have read this... 'Although Britain has fallen to fascism, it curiously remains by most measurements one of the least racist countries... ' which is just a pathetic piece of 'ironic' prose. ...and this... 'Britain is also unique among European countries in having a tiny education gap between the children of natives and immigrants, whereas in every continental country it is large.' which links to a paper from April 2015 ...and this... 'The last mass murder of protesters in England occurred in 1819, when 18 people were killed by authorities in Manchester;' Again, utterly lazy journalism. Why not state Peterloo Massacre and that the people who commited it were a cavalry regiment, not 'authorities'. ... and this... 'Had anything even vaguely comparable happened during the US Civil Rights era it would have been the subject of about 500 films' The writer has clearly never heard of the Orangeburg Massacre, or was the number of fatalities not enough to exite his fevered pen. All in all, this article is shoddy at best, and I really don't understand why you would extoll it's virtues.

Sigh. I haven’t “extolled its virtues” I just said it made some interesting points, which it did. I said the same thing about your article too, this in spite of it being written by a Remainer who’s sources were limited basically to Remainer academics from the not so independent think tank UK in a Changing Europe. Everything doesn’t have to be binary.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	marton
	Volvo warns today if UK splits from EU rules certifying some cars for UK market would not be worth cost

But why would the UK do that? Doesn't make sense to come up with totally new standards for cars.

Actually, Ireland and Malta would be affected too as the market for EU RHD cars would be tiny.

	Quote:	k_and_e
	But why would the UK do that? Doesn't make sense to come up with totally new standards for cars. Actually, Ireland and Malta would be affected too as the market for EU RHD cars would be tiny.

It's about time the world got standardized on this anyway - it's a farce having two models of everything.

[st2lemans]

Tom

[marton]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	But why would the UK do that? Doesn't make sense to come up with totally new standards for cars. Actually, Ireland and Malta would be affected too as the market for EU RHD cars would be tiny.

It does not make sense but the Chancellor Javed said that is what they plan to do.

Meanwhile the tough negotiations start

	Quote:
	Leo Varadkar, the Irish taoiseach suggested that the UK would fail to get a trade deal allowing its banks access to the EU’s financial services market unless it agrees to let EU boats carry on fishing in its waters.

[CodPeace]

	Quote:	marton
	Leo Varadkar, the Irish taoiseach suggested that the UK would fail to get a trade deal allowing its banks access to the EU’s financial services market unless it agrees to let EU boats carry on fishing in its waters.

I think the obvious choice is throw the fishermen over the side, as it were.
Fishing rights and territorial waters maybe emotive, but it's a sub-£1billion industry, whereas finance is many billions.

Pretty sure BoJo will be pragmatic on this one.

	Quote:	CodPeace
	I think the obvious choice is throw the fishermen over the side, as it were. Fishing rights and territorial waters maybe emotive, but it's a sub-£1billion industry, whereas finance is many billions. Pretty sure BoJo will be pragmatic on this one.

You're just looking out for yourself.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Tom

I don’t think we need to wait until the 31st, some people are already very upset over the release of a coin!

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I don’t think we need to wait until the 31st, some people are already very upset over the release of a coin!

I think you are confusing "very upset" with "taking the piss".

[CodPeace]

	Quote:
	You're just looking out for yourself.

I'm not a fisherman, nor am I in any finance related industry.
It's an opinion based on common sense.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	John William
	Yes I can just picture the scene with Nigel Farage as a latter day Moses, leading his Brexit Party of former MEP's to the promised land of a Britain outside the EU & waiting at Calais for a sign that divine providence is on their side; for a parting of the seas of the English Channel, so his Brexiteers can cross to a new Elizabethan Age in post Brexit Britain. .

Speaking of which, how long is this brat going to be payed by the EU to shit all over EU in the European Parliament?

He's sucking blood for free for quite some time now. If there's anything good about Brexit is knowing this twat is not payed by the EU anymore.

	Quote:	CodPeace
	I'm not a fisherman, nor am I in any finance related industry. It's an opinion based on common sense.

I think you've forgotten this incarnation of your account is called CodPeace, with a picture of a fish. Thanks for confirming that you're a respawn though.

[marton]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	But why would the UK do that? Doesn't make sense to come up with totally new standards for cars. Actually, Ireland and Malta would be affected too as the market for EU RHD cars would be tiny.

Thinking about it, if there was a dispute in the future about whether a British product conformed to an EU Standard it would eventually wind up in the European Court of Justice. Brexiteers no longer want to obey the ECJ.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	Thinking about it, if there was a dispute in the future about whether a British product conformed to an EU Standard it would eventually wind up in the European Court of Justice. Brexiteers no longer want to obey the ECJ.

And Boris thinks he can negotiate a completely new trade deal with the EU in a year....