The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	And Boris thinks he can negotiate a completely new trade deal with the EU in a year....

No need, far better to keep the huge competitive advantage that the UK gets by leaving the E.U.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	No need, far better to keep the huge competitive advantage that the UK gets by leaving the E.U.

Has anyone actually managed to pin a definition on this heady title yet?

Eleventy billion pages later and there's still no pinning the tail on that particular unicorn.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Has anyone actually managed to pin a definition on this heady title yet? Eleventy billion pages later and there's still no pinning the tail on that particular unicorn.

I thought the EU were making a song & dance about the UK having a competitive advantage if they dropped EU rules, that in itself confirms that EU rules are a ba thing.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I thought the EU were making a song & dance about the UK having a competitive advantage if they dropped EU rules, that in itself confirms that EU rules are a ba thing.

Pesky rules like Human and Workers' Rights are expensive, no denying it.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I thought the EU were making a song & dance about the UK having a competitive advantage if they dropped EU rules, that in itself confirms that EU rules are a ba thing.

Wouldn't the UK only have a "competitive advantage" if it manages to negotiate trade deals, though? They seem to be a bit thin on the ground at the moment.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Pesky rules like Human and Workers' Rights are expensive, no denying it.

Well as only 7% of the population of the world have these protections, then 93% of the population of the world has a competitive advantage over the EU. For the many not the few

[marton]

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	Pesky rules like Human and Workers' Rights are expensive, no denying it.

Especially if the pesky US insists on including Human Rights in their trade deal.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	No need, far better to keep the huge competitive advantage that the UK gets by leaving the E.U.

- You become a third country competing with low cost producers for a market representing 43% - 48% of your trade depending on who's stats you take
- You give up the ability to passport financial services to the EU
- You negotiate a US trade deal that will go unapproved by Congress, just like the Canada one
- The best deal you can get with Canada or Japan can not exceed the EU's deal without their approval
- And the object on the rest of the deals is to roll them over on the same terms as the ones lost from EU membership
- All the time trading on WTO terms and applying zero tariffs on imports from all 165 WTO members.

Good luck with that advantage, which is based on the assumption that other countries will agree to disagavante themselves to give you the deals you think you are entitled to.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	this in spite of it being written by a Remainer who’s sources were limited basically to Remainer academics from the not so independent think tank UK in a Changing Europe. Everything doesn’t have to be binary.

Oh the irony, coming from someone who is making it binary by basing their judgement of information offered based upon how the author or contributor may or may not have voted 4yrs ago.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Well as only 7% of the population of the world have these protections, then 93% of the population of the world has a competitive advantage over the EU. For the many not the few

I'm not sure most Brexiteers were dreaming of South Sudanese working conditions as being part of the Brexit dividend.

[grumpygrapefruit]

	Quote:	AquoIcePostCH
	As I understand things, nothing changes for people moving after Brexit. Only after the transition period is over the rules will change.

Isn't it funny how you thank every post by fatmanfilms. At least you haven't started drive through groaning everybody else.... yet.

Am I the only one who has clocked that?

[AquoIcePostCH]

	Quote:	grumpygrapefruit
	Isn't it funny how you thank every post by fatmanfilms. At least you haven't started drive through groaning everybody else.... yet.Am I the only one who has clocked that?

Sorry, no clue what this post means.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	grumpygrapefruit
	Isn't it funny how you thank every post by fatmanfilms. At least you haven't started drive through groaning everybody else.... yet. Am I the only one who has clocked that?

Funny that anyone could agree with everything I say on the matter

[grumpygrapefruit]

	Quote:	AquoIcePostCH
	Sorry, no clue what this post means.

That you don't know that you thank every post by FMF, or about drive by groaning, or about me clocking it

	Quote:	grumpygrapefruit
	That you don't know that you thank every post by FMF, or about drive by groaning, or about me clocking it

It's a matter of time...tick tock.

[AquoIcePostCH]

	Quote:	grumpygrapefruit
	That you don't know that you thank every post by FMF, or about drive by groaning, or about me clockingitmsn

Sorry still clueless!!!

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	- You become a third country competing with low cost producers for a market representing 43% - 48% of your trade depending on who's stats you take - You give up the ability to passport financial services to the EU - You negotiate a US trade deal that will go unapproved by Congress, just like the Canada one - The best deal you can get with Canada or Japan can not exceed the EU's deal without their approval - And the object on the rest of the deals is to roll them over on the same terms as the ones lost from EU membership - All the time trading on WTO terms and applying zero tariffs on imports from all 165 WTO members. Good luck with that advantage, which is based on the assumption that other countries will agree to disagavante themselves to give you the deals you think you are entitled to.

Unfortunately this narrow minded attitude is partly the reason the EU is so poor at making trade deals. Trade deals shouldn’t be seen as a confrontation when trying to achieve something that is beneficial to both parties. It’s another good reason that the UK left, and will also be the reason the UK strikes more trade deals in the long term. The EU purely exists to thwart free trading capitalism and it’s this attitude that will eventually lead to its downfall.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	marton
	Especially if the pesky US insists on including Human Rights in their trade deal.

Workers rights in the UK already go above and beyond those required by the EU. The UK was also the birth place of modern human rights, I doubt she’ll ever need to take advice from the EU in this regard.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Workers rights in the UK already go above and beyond those required by the EU. The UK was also the birth place of modern human rights, I doubt she’ll ever need to take advice from the EU in this regard.

Try telling that to all the agency workers whose working conditions dramatically improved with the EU working time regulations. Holiday pay, sick pay etc, 11 hour break between finishing and starting. Obviously plenty of jobs have better, lots had much worse.

[TonyClifton]

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	Try telling that to all the agency workers whose working conditions dramatically improved with the EU working time regulations. Holiday pay, sick pay etc, 11 hour break between finishing and starting. Obviously plenty of jobs have better, lots had much worse.

UK paid holiday is set at 5.6 weeks, EU paid holiday is set at 4 weeks.
UK sick pay is set at 28 weeks, EU sick pay is not set at all.
Minimum wage in the UK is set at £8.21, in the EU there is no set minimum wage.
Maternity pay in the UK is currently 52 weeks (90% for 6 weeks £140 for 33 weeks), for the EU it's set at 14 weeks.