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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Income Support (or whatever it's called these days), disability benefits,
There is still a benefit called Income Support. https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information...ncome-support/

There is a disability benefit called Employment and Support Allowance (ESA). https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information...ort-allowance/
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Nope. Ace was right, it goes into general taxation.

There is a link between NIC and the state pension entitlement (and 1 or 2 other benefits) but only to the extent that paying NIC gives you that entitlement. There is no funding link.
NI contributions are split into paying for the NHS (not ring fenced) and everything else (ring fenced).

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Quite so. And all the more major benefits, Healthcare, Income Support (or whatever it's called these days), disability benefits, etc. are independent, i.e. you're equally entitled to them whether you've been paying National Insurance contributions or not.

I think there's a separate Unemployment Benefit which is only payable for a given period after becoming unemployed, so there's a link of sorts, but it's not directly related to contributions paid in.

Some background reading here for anyone interested. (Claims to be independent, but I don't vouch for its accuracy).
It's pretty much the same set up here, though. If you can't work because you've become disabled or ill you don't go to the RAV, you claim IV, in the same way as the "Unemployment Benefit" you mention above wouldn't cover you for disabilities preventing you from working in the UK.

I think there's some confusion as to what the RAV is actually for here. It's not a catch all payment scheme for simply not having a job. I think that point needs to be cleared up.

Benefits schemes are also layered here, depending on the situation.
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Old 29.01.2020, 16:48
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NI contributions are split into paying for the NHS (not ring fenced) and everything else (ring fenced).

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The reality is pretty well as described in the Fullfact link Ace1 posted. Whatever they claim, there is pretty well no practical difference to general taxation.
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Nope. Ace was right, it goes into general taxation.

There is a link between NIC and the state pension entitlement (and 1 or 2 other benefits) but only to the extent that paying NIC gives you that entitlement. There is no funding link.
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Quite so. And all the more major benefits, Healthcare, Income Support (or whatever it's called these days), disability benefits, etc. are independent, i.e. you're equally entitled to them whether you've been paying National Insurance contributions or not.

I think there's a separate Unemployment Benefit which is only payable for a given period after becoming unemployed, so there's a link of sorts, but it's not directly related to contributions paid in.

Some background reading here for anyone interested. (Claims to be independent, but I don't vouch for its accuracy).
Yep, I'd found the same link and there is still the National Insurance Fund which may or may not have a surplus in any given year and may or may not be topped up in any year. It still is used to cover benefits and pensions, it just isn't ring fenced. Any surplus goes against the National Debt.

So, unhelpfully, it's not a yes/no situation.
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Yep, I'd found the same link and there is still the National Insurance Fund which may or may not have a surplus in any given year and may or may not be topped up in any year. It still is used to cover benefits and pensions, it just isn't ring fenced. Any surplus goes against the National Debt.

So, unhelpfully, it's not a yes/no situation.
Every years contributions increase unfunded future benefits which will have to come from somewhere. The point of a continual deficit can't be far away.
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EU Parliamentary debate and vote on the Withdrawal Agreement

For those that want to relive the EU Parlamentary debate and vote on
the UK - EU Withdrawal Agreement together with all the speeches by the
various MEP's plus Nigel Farage ( and the Brexit Party's ) disgraceful
behaviour in the middle of the debate.

Here's the link - although fast forward the video to 16:39 for the start
of the debate and the singing of For Auld Lang Syne begins at 18:35

EU Parliamentary debate on the UK - EU Withdrawal agreement

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EU Parliamentary debate and vote on the Withdrawal Agreement

For those that want to relive the EU Parlamentary debate and vote on
the UK - EU Withdrawal Agreement together with all the speeches by the
various MEP's plus Nigel Farage ( and the Brexit Party's ) disgraceful
behaviour in the middle of the debate.

Here's the link - although fast forward the video to 16:39 for the start
of the debate and the singing of For Auld Lang Syne begins at 18:35

EU Parliamentary debate on the UK - EU Withdrawal agreement
Very unfortunate. True winners don't gloat.
Specially as he has important points I fully agree with and interestingly enough some other speakers mentioned as well, only less emotional which would be the way to reach results.

However, Farag should definitely buy a new suit before he leaves the premises of the EU tomorrow.
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They are OUT! Should old acquaintances be forgot and NEVER brought to mind!
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Should old acquaintances be forgot and NEVER brought to mind!
Is that a question?
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Is that a question?
Well what do you think?
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Old 30.01.2020, 09:03
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EU Parliamentary debate and vote on the Withdrawal Agreement

For those that want to relive the EU Parlamentary debate and vote on
the UK - EU Withdrawal Agreement together with all the speeches by the
various MEP's plus Nigel Farage ( and the Brexit Party's ) disgraceful
behaviour in the middle of the debate.

Here's the link - although fast forward the video to 16:39 for the start
of the debate and the singing of For Auld Lang Syne begins at 18:35

EU Parliamentary debate on the UK - EU Withdrawal agreement
That's a lot to wade through. 17:22:40 for those who want to see Farage making an arse of himself and his party behaving like kindergarten toddlers.
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Ooh look! More lies...

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Mr Javid’s spending round speech, just three months before the election, the Chancellor declared he had “turned the page on austerity.”

Mr Javid said: "No department will be cut next year. Every single department has had its budget for day to day spending increased at least in line with inflation.

"That's what I mean by the end of austerity."
Today...

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But today he wrote to cabinet ministers, asking them to draw up cuts of up to 5% of their spending plans.

They’ve been told to go through their budgets “line by line” and be ready to justify any spending plans and projects they want to keep.

In the note, Mr Javid wrote: “We have been elected with a clear fiscal mandate to keep control of day to day spending.

“This means there will need to be savings made across government to free up money to invest in our priorities.”
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I wonder if Lidl UK planned this. The top offer for Brexit weekend

https://www.lidl.co.uk/en/p/super-we...-steaks/p28936

Gammon steaks.
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That's a lot to wade through. 17:22:40 for those who want to see Farage making an arse of himself and his party behaving like kindergarten toddlers.
No thanks. I still think he looks like a smug tortoise in a bad suit.
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No thanks. I still think he looks like a smug tortoise in a bad suit.
Spitting Image couldn't make a puppet with such a rubbery mush.
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Latest travel advice from Simon Calder regarding travel within the EU until the end of 2020...

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a9309246.html

...and newly published travel advice for travel within the EU from
1. January 2021 with a list of important changes that we need to be aware of.

https://www.gov.uk/visit-europe-1-january-2021
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Well what do you think?
I don't know. You utilized an exclamation mark.
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Gold-plated gammon.

https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/s...son-7-funny%2F
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Is that a question?
Well good question. I guess I meant it as a statement. But I think its usually taken as a question.


https://philosiblog.com/2014/01/01/s...ought-to-mind/
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