The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	curley
	Well, at least Ireland knows that all the new citizens they got over the past months are not loyal and can't be counted on, should problems arise.

Loyalty to an imaginary set of lines on a map is the preserve of the hard of thinking.

[AquoIcePostCH]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	So, with Brexit finally over, isn't it time to close this thread?

But then there'd be the need for another detailing the consequences after the transition period is complete.

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	Replace worse with more restrictive then. Btw - honestly, what did you intend by "I have been an impersonation officially".

Impersonation official, I assume, i.e. someone checking for ineligible/fraudulent voters.

[curley]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It is absolutely correct. I have been an impersonation officially at two Irish elections and on both occasions we’ve had Garda come into the polling station to arrest people of doing exactly what you described. There are plenty of Irish expats who’s family continue to put them on the live register, which is not illegal. But the minimum they stand in front of a presiding officer and request a voting paper they commit a criminal offense.

What's the punishment for it?

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	Loyalty to an imaginary set of lines on a map is the preserve of the hard of thinking.

One is not loyal to a set of lines on the map but to a society. As long as England gave you the possibility to live where you wanted - not there - it was fine. Now you expect an other society to put up with the EU, so again you can profit without partaking. ROFL.
Giving nothing, running off when no longer given what you want. You must be joy of a family member.

Come to think of it: For once the US seems to have the "fairest" system? They tax you where ever you live but they also let you vote.

[YuropFlyer]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	So, with Brexit finally over, isn't it time to close this thread? Tom

Definitely not. First of it, till the end of 2020 the UK will pay exactly the same as they did in the past, just have no saying in it. After that, all open. Unless they magically fix all those tradedeals, they might very well ask for an extension.

And then, they'll be paying into various EU funds for the next 40-50 years anyway, so that's all Brexit-related.

Plus the very possible split from Scotland and NIreland from Little Britain could also be directly attributed to Brexit.

The UK choose taxation without representation, good for them

[AquoIcePostCH]

	Quote:	YuropFlyer
	till the end of 2020 the UK will pay exactly the same as they did in the past, just have no saying in it.

Isn't that what Switzerland and Norway have been doing for quite some time now?

	Quote:	curley
	One is not loyal to a set of lines on the map but to a society. As long as England gave you the possibility to live where you wanted - not there - it was fine. Now you expect an other society to put up with the EU, so again you can profit without partaking. ROFL. Giving nothing, running off when no longer given what you want. You must be joy of a family member. Come to think of it: For once the US seems to have the "fairest" system? They tax you where ever you live but they also let you vote.

We are all British my dear fellow, not English. England is an entirely different set of made up lines that partakes in sport.

I do not hold loyalty to a set of line because I am told to do so, nor to a Monarch just because I've been told to do so.

What society is this you talk of? There certainly isn't just the one in Britain, is there?

What's the nonsense about expecting "an other society" [sic] to shoulder my burden? One has to qualify and this other country (not society) has deemed me a valid applicant, that's the end of any commitment. I am sure it is expedient to us both.

The last line is the most interesting though, isn't it? You assume that because I hold little value in a set of lines, I value my family the same? I would point out my loyalties are very easy to judge and unambiguous - family before everything else.

Can you honestly say the same without making yourself a hypocrite? Or does "country" just nestle somewhere halfway down your list of loyalties, yet you feel able to lecture others on its importance?

[YuropFlyer]

	Quote:	AquoIcePostCH
	Isn't that what Switzerland and Norway have been doing for quite some time now?

We're paying (comparatively) much less than what a full EU membership would cost, though. The UK will pay quite a bit more for a rather lengthy period of time. I get your point, but there isn't much of an alternative for Switzerland, unless you want to go the crazy SVP way, which would guarantee that Switzerland falls back into dark ages. Hardly a surprise that the "economical" wing of the SVP doesn't really support their own initiative..

[Castro]

Last nights scenes in Parliament Square were truly embarrassing, I might need surgery to remove the cringe from my face

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	So it is with a genuine sense of sorrow that I must report that on Friday 31 January, between the hours of 9pm and 11pm, Westminster’s Parliament Square played host to a static, knuckle dragging carnival of the irredeemably stupid. Shirtless men clambered over the statue of Churchill. For some bizarre reason, part of the warm-up act involved playing parts of an old Michael Cockerell documentary on Britain’s history with the EU. “F*** off John Major, you c***!” shouted one man when the former prime minister appeared on screen. “He should be hanging by his f****** neck!” the same man shouted at Tony Blair. They absolutely revelled in it. It wasn’t merely that a singalong to “Rule Britannia”, with the words appearing on a giant screen, was infinitely beyond them. (“The azure what? Az-u main? What’s this? I don’t know thi – RULE BRITANNIA! BRITANNIA RULES THE WAVES!” Entirely verbatim quote, that one). At one point, when they tried to get the crowd to join in with “Land of Hope and Glory”, the three on-stage singers were so poor that the crowd refused to join in in protest. Nigel Farage was there, obviously, calling it “the greatest moment in our nation’s modern history.” Well if it was the greatest moment in our nation’s modern history, it is a matter of public record that the best Farage could find to help him usher it in was a very strange man called Dominic Frisby, singing a very strange song called “17 Million F*** Offs.” The list of people “the British told to f*** off” was long indeed. “The IMF, the treasury, Tony Blair, John Major, Femi Weirdo, Jess Philips, George Osborne.” It went on and on and on. By the time it got to the end, the 17 million f*** offs may even have found themselves outnumbered. Whether, in fact the IMF, the Treasury, Tony Blair and absolutely everybody else will, in the end, turn out to have been right, and this lot wrong, is as close to a certainty as anything in politics can possibly be. But for now, we must go through the motions. Dance the dance. By the time the final countdown came you could scarcely get on to Whitehall. There were thousands there. Not many thousands, but thousands certainly. I’ve listened back now to the sound on my dictaphone that records Britain’s moment of liberation and it goes exactly like this: “Ten! Nine! Eight! Seven! Six! Five! Four! Three! Two! One! FREEDOM!!!! YEAAAASSSS!!!! F****** FREEDOM!!!! WE F****** DID IT!!! F****** FREEDOM!!! F****** DO ONE!! F****** DO ONE!!!!” Source

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	Replace worse with more restrictive then. Btw - honestly, what did you intend by "I have been an impersonation officially".

type should be impersonation official. One of a number of people (usually 6 to 8 people) appointed to ensure that the election is carried according to the law at a particular polling station.

You:
- Inspect the election boxes before voting begins and the boxes a sealed in your presence
- Inspect the voting papers etc that are in the possession of the presiding officer and ensure that he does not have any extra ones etc....
- And then you spend the day observing proceedings to ensure that there is no funny business going on
- If you seen someone who believe is committing election fraud, then you formally challenge them and if you are not satisfied then you call in the Garda (Irish Police).
- At the end of the day you observe the closing of the station, the destruction of the remaining ballot papers etc. and the hand over the election boxes to the Military Police who take them a way under guard to an army barracks until the count begins the following day.

[Island Monkey]

	Quote:	curley
	That can't be correct. I know Irish going all the way home to vote who have left Ireland much longer than a year ago.

During the referendum on gay marriage in Ireland, they were interviewing people on tv who flying back to Ireland from all over the world to vote. Surely they would not have agreed to be interviewed if they were breaking the law?

[marton]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	So, with Brexit finally over, isn't it time to close this thread? Tom

I wish it was over but sadly at least another year of kicking the can down the road.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	During the referendum on gay marriage in Ireland, they were interviewing people on tv who flying back to Ireland from all over the world to vote. Surely they would not have agreed to be interviewed if they were breaking the law?

Most of them did not realize it was illegal until they got back to Ireland, went to the polling station and read the notice or more likely was stopped on the way in and advised to go home.

I still remember one genius that I challenged - he said his father had voted in every election since 1922, he had received the voting card for him and he was going to vote in this one too... his father had been dead for two months! But he thought he was entitled to on behalf of his father since he had received a voting card for him... The Garda decided he was a ‘soft idiot’ and sent him home with a warning.

[curley]

	Quote:
	We are all British my dear fellow, not English. England is an entirely different set of made up lines that partakes in sport. I do not hold loyalty to a set of line because I am told to do so, nor to a Monarch just because I've been told to do so. What society is this you talk of? There certainly isn't just the one in Britain, is there? What's the nonsense about expecting "an other society" [sic] to shoulder my burden? One has to qualify and this other country (not society) has deemed me a valid applicant, that's the end of any commitment. I am sure it is expedient to us both. The last line is the most interesting though, isn't it? You assume that because I hold little value in a set of lines, I value my family the same? I would point out my loyalties are very easy to judge and unambiguous - family before everything else. Can you honestly say the same without making yourself a hypocrite? Or does "country" just nestle somewhere halfway down your list of loyalties, yet you feel able to lecture others on its importance?

<<I do not hold loyalty to a set of line because I am told to do so, nor to a Monarch just because I've been told to do so.>> Didn't bother you as long as they did as you liked.
<< this other country (not society) has deemed me a valid applicant>>
Of course they did, you fulfilled the necessary requirements. They're not fooled though, they know you only flew by to pick up the papers.
And the society IS the country. An understanding that seems to be completely alien to Brits.
<<Can you honestly say the same without making yourself a hypocrite?>> Say what? If I had changed nationality every time I disliked the result of a voting here I would be very international by now.

And there is no point in arguing this, really. Because unlike in the English language - and therefore I guess in the societies using it - one can not win a discussion. One can only have a discussion.
And the only reason I really enjoy discussions is because it confronts me with different opinions and view points. Just to hear people constantly agree with me would not really be worth my time.
That might be the reason I don't shout "ban, BAN!" when ever someone peculiar shows up on EF.

	Quote:	curley
	<<I do not hold loyalty to a set of line because I am told to do so, nor to a Monarch just because I've been told to do so.>> Didn't bother you as long as they did as you liked. << this other country (not society) has deemed me a valid applicant>> Of course they did, you fulfilled the necessary requirements. They're not fooled though, they know you only flew by to pick up the papers. And the society IS the country. An understanding that seems to be completely alien to Brits. <<Can you honestly say the same without making yourself a hypocrite?>> Say what? If I had changed nationality every time I disliked the result of a voting here I would be very international by now. And there is no point in arguing this, really. Because unlike in the English language - and therefore I guess in the societies using it - one can not win a discussion. One can only have a discussion. And the only reason I really enjoy discussions is because it confronts me with different opinions and view points. Just to hear people constantly agree with me would not really be worth my time. That might be the reason I don't shout "ban, BAN!" when ever someone peculiar shows up on EF.

Wow, so much wrong to unpick.

	Quote:	curley
	<<I do not hold loyalty to a set of line because I am told to do so, nor to a Monarch just because I've been told to do so.>> Didn't bother you as long as they did as you liked.

Erm, I've been anti-monarchist for as long as I can remember - you'll probably find posts on here even pre-brexit with me spouting off about the inbred layabouts. I also don't believe the Monarchy ever did what I liked - strangely Prince Harry didn't give me a call about moving to Canada. What a bizarre notion.

	Quote:	curley
	<< this other country (not society) has deemed me a valid applicant>> Of course they did, you fulfilled the necessary requirements. They're not fooled though, they know you only flew by to pick up the papers. And the society IS the country. An understanding that seems to be completely alien to Brits.

Make your mind up, am I British or Irish (or indeed Swiss with the passport on the way, yeah, sorry about that ). I'm sure you'll welcome me with open arms anyway, you seem open minded like that.
Who exactly is not fooled? Do you think there's a committee of officials looking through each application and putting a black mark on the ones of convenience? Strangely, my Irish mates over here, of which I have many have welcomed me with open arms, yet you as a Swiss are annoyed on their behalf. In your words, ROFL.

	Quote:	curley
	<<Can you honestly say the same without making yourself a hypocrite?>> Say what? If I had changed nationality every time I disliked the result of a voting here I would be very international by now.

You didn't answer my question. If you're a patriot and a christian (for example), then surely your order of priorities has to be God then Switzerland then anything else. I feel my family is the most important thing, can you say the same? Which of the above would you die for? I think if you're honest, you'd say family and family only, so you can turn down the hypocrisy now.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Castro
	Last nights scenes in Parliament Square were truly embarrassing, I might need surgery to remove the cringe from my face

Will First of February be called Independence Day in UK?

It looks like some people lost any sense of proportion over there.

	Quote:
	Wow, so much wrong to unpick. .

You should have known by now that most of the time, other people's perceptions of you have nothing to do with you.

[hairybadger]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Will First of February be called Independence Day in UK?

Not "Independence" - another word beginning with "I" but ending with "Y", 6 letters.

[robBob]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Will First of February be called Independence Day in UK?

No! It'll be called the end of EU free roaming in GB day.

[YuropFlyer]

"Now we need to pay for a Visa"-Day

[curley]

StirB posts going their usual off track wild again. ROFL.

However. Your post was:

	Quote:
	Happy Brexit all, from Ireland’s newest Citizen 😂

When the reaction to that was not "oh, you smart little devil (well one of a few hundreds ) what a wicked way to have the cake and eat it too" you turned it into a huge drivel about nationalism ..... all the way to Christianity

The Swiss part of me (yes I too have different nationalities but I was born with them) does not have to welcome you, as you don't want to join, you like the cake. Which is no surprise. I like it too.