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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 01.02.2020, 10:22
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There are reasons why only citizens permanently resident in the country plus those who have left within 12 months are allowed to vote.....
That can't be correct. I know Irish going all the way home to vote who have left Ireland much longer than a year ago.
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Old 01.02.2020, 10:42
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That can't be correct. I know Irish going all the way home to vote who have left Ireland much longer than a year ago.
I know a UK citizen who voted in the last election despite having been out of the UK for almost 30 years .

If you are determined enough there are always ways to fake an address or otherwise confuse the system.

I don’t approve of that by the way. I think that if you don’t live in a place you shouldn’t be partaking part in the politics in that way, no matter how strongly you feel about the situation.
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GB is "nicht Fisch, nicht Vogel" as a German saying goes and can't really be dealt with in a serious manner.
Neither fish nor fowl.

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That can't be correct. I know Irish going all the way home to vote who have left Ireland much longer than a year ago.
They may be doing this, but it's illegal. https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-...rule-1.3505885 Which makes Ireland worse than the UK (15 years - you remain registered where you were last registered).
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That can't be correct. I know Irish going all the way home to vote who have left Ireland much longer than a year ago.
It is absolutely correct. I have been an impersonation officially at two Irish elections and on both occasions we’ve had Garda come into the polling station to arrest people of doing exactly what you described.

There are plenty of Irish expats who’s family continue to put them on the live register, which is not illegal. But the minimum they stand in front of a presiding officer and request a voting paper they commit a criminal offense.
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Which makes Ireland worse than the UK (15 years - you remain registered where you were last registered).
On the contrary, there More people living outside the country as live in the country entitled to vote by the UK model and it would be completely intolerable for the people living in the country to have their future determined by people living outside the country.
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Old 01.02.2020, 11:09
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On the contrary, there More people living outside the country as live in the country entitled to vote by the UK model and it would be completely intolerable for the people living in the country to have their future determined by people living outside the country.
Replace worse with more restrictive then.

Btw - honestly, what did you intend by "I have been an impersonation officially".
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I don’t approve of that by the way. I think that if you don’t live in a place you shouldn’t be partaking part in the politics in that way, no matter how strongly you feel about the situation.
Thats taxation without representation as the majority of Brits will still be UK domiciled as far as HMRC concerned at death & could have an IHT liability on their estate.
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Old 01.02.2020, 11:24
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Neither fish nor fowl.

They may be doing this, but it's illegal. https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-...rule-1.3505885 Which makes Ireland worse than the UK (15 years - you remain registered where you were last registered).
Jim sais 12 months and "absolutely correct" LOL, the article 18 months plus that people receive ballots long after they deregistered ....

However, voting matters seem messy all over that island. So be it.
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So, with Brexit finally over, isn't it time to close this thread?

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Well, at least Ireland knows that all the new citizens they got over the past months are not loyal and can't be counted on, should problems arise.
Loyalty to an imaginary set of lines on a map is the preserve of the hard of thinking.
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So, with Brexit finally over, isn't it time to close this thread?
But then there'd be the need for another detailing the consequences after the transition period is complete.
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Replace worse with more restrictive then.

Btw - honestly, what did you intend by "I have been an impersonation officially".
Impersonation official, I assume, i.e. someone checking for ineligible/fraudulent voters.
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Old 01.02.2020, 13:23
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It is absolutely correct. I have been an impersonation officially at two Irish elections and on both occasions we’ve had Garda come into the polling station to arrest people of doing exactly what you described.

There are plenty of Irish expats who’s family continue to put them on the live register, which is not illegal. But the minimum they stand in front of a presiding officer and request a voting paper they commit a criminal offense.
What's the punishment for it?

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One is not loyal to a set of lines on the map but to a society. As long as England gave you the possibility to live where you wanted - not there - it was fine. Now you expect an other society to put up with the EU, so again you can profit without partaking. ROFL.
Giving nothing, running off when no longer given what you want. You must be joy of a family member.

Come to think of it: For once the US seems to have the "fairest" system? They tax you where ever you live but they also let you vote.
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So, with Brexit finally over, isn't it time to close this thread?

Tom
Definitely not. First of it, till the end of 2020 the UK will pay exactly the same as they did in the past, just have no saying in it. After that, all open. Unless they magically fix all those tradedeals, they might very well ask for an extension.

And then, they'll be paying into various EU funds for the next 40-50 years anyway, so that's all Brexit-related.

Plus the very possible split from Scotland and NIreland from Little Britain could also be directly attributed to Brexit.

The UK choose taxation without representation, good for them
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till the end of 2020 the UK will pay exactly the same as they did in the past, just have no saying in it.
Isn't that what Switzerland and Norway have been doing for quite some time now?
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One is not loyal to a set of lines on the map but to a society. As long as England gave you the possibility to live where you wanted - not there - it was fine. Now you expect an other society to put up with the EU, so again you can profit without partaking. ROFL.
Giving nothing, running off when no longer given what you want. You must be joy of a family member.

Come to think of it: For once the US seems to have the "fairest" system? They tax you where ever you live but they also let you vote.
We are all British my dear fellow, not English. England is an entirely different set of made up lines that partakes in sport.

I do not hold loyalty to a set of line because I am told to do so, nor to a Monarch just because I've been told to do so.

What society is this you talk of? There certainly isn't just the one in Britain, is there?

What's the nonsense about expecting "an other society" [sic] to shoulder my burden? One has to qualify and this other country (not society) has deemed me a valid applicant, that's the end of any commitment. I am sure it is expedient to us both.

The last line is the most interesting though, isn't it? You assume that because I hold little value in a set of lines, I value my family the same? I would point out my loyalties are very easy to judge and unambiguous - family before everything else.

Can you honestly say the same without making yourself a hypocrite? Or does "country" just nestle somewhere halfway down your list of loyalties, yet you feel able to lecture others on its importance?
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Isn't that what Switzerland and Norway have been doing for quite some time now?
We're paying (comparatively) much less than what a full EU membership would cost, though. The UK will pay quite a bit more for a rather lengthy period of time. I get your point, but there isn't much of an alternative for Switzerland, unless you want to go the crazy SVP way, which would guarantee that Switzerland falls back into dark ages. Hardly a surprise that the "economical" wing of the SVP doesn't really support their own initiative..
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Last nights scenes in Parliament Square were truly embarrassing, I might need surgery to remove the cringe from my face

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So it is with a genuine sense of sorrow that I must report that on Friday 31 January, between the hours of 9pm and 11pm, Westminster’s Parliament Square played host to a static, knuckle dragging carnival of the irredeemably stupid.

Shirtless men clambered over the statue of Churchill. For some bizarre reason, part of the warm-up act involved playing parts of an old Michael Cockerell documentary on Britain’s history with the EU. “F*** off John Major, you c***!” shouted one man when the former prime minister appeared on screen. “He should be hanging by his f****** neck!” the same man shouted at Tony Blair.

They absolutely revelled in it. It wasn’t merely that a singalong to “Rule Britannia”, with the words appearing on a giant screen, was infinitely beyond them. (“The azure what? Az-u main? What’s this? I don’t know thi – RULE BRITANNIA! BRITANNIA RULES THE WAVES!” Entirely verbatim quote, that one).

At one point, when they tried to get the crowd to join in with “Land of Hope and Glory”, the three on-stage singers were so poor that the crowd refused to join in in protest.

Nigel Farage was there, obviously, calling it “the greatest moment in our nation’s modern history.”

Well if it was the greatest moment in our nation’s modern history, it is a matter of public record that the best Farage could find to help him usher it in was a very strange man called Dominic Frisby, singing a very strange song called “17 Million F*** Offs.”

The list of people “the British told to f*** off” was long indeed.

“The IMF, the treasury, Tony Blair, John Major, Femi Weirdo, Jess Philips, George Osborne.” It went on and on and on. By the time it got to the end, the 17 million f*** offs may even have found themselves outnumbered. Whether, in fact the IMF, the Treasury, Tony Blair and absolutely everybody else will, in the end, turn out to have been right, and this lot wrong, is as close to a certainty as anything in politics can possibly be.

But for now, we must go through the motions. Dance the dance. By the time the final countdown came you could scarcely get on to Whitehall. There were thousands there. Not many thousands, but thousands certainly.

I’ve listened back now to the sound on my dictaphone that records Britain’s moment of liberation and it goes exactly like this: “Ten! Nine! Eight! Seven! Six! Five! Four! Three! Two! One! FREEDOM!!!! YEAAAASSSS!!!! F****** FREEDOM!!!! WE F****** DID IT!!! F****** FREEDOM!!! F****** DO ONE!! F****** DO ONE!!!!”

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Replace worse with more restrictive then.

Btw - honestly, what did you intend by "I have been an impersonation officially".
type should be impersonation official. One of a number of people (usually 6 to 8 people) appointed to ensure that the election is carried according to the law at a particular polling station.

You:
- Inspect the election boxes before voting begins and the boxes a sealed in your presence
- Inspect the voting papers etc that are in the possession of the presiding officer and ensure that he does not have any extra ones etc....
- And then you spend the day observing proceedings to ensure that there is no funny business going on
- If you seen someone who believe is committing election fraud, then you formally challenge them and if you are not satisfied then you call in the Garda (Irish Police).
- At the end of the day you observe the closing of the station, the destruction of the remaining ballot papers etc. and the hand over the election boxes to the Military Police who take them a way under guard to an army barracks until the count begins the following day.
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That can't be correct. I know Irish going all the way home to vote who have left Ireland much longer than a year ago.
During the referendum on gay marriage in Ireland, they were interviewing people on tv who flying back to Ireland from all over the world to vote. Surely they would not have agreed to be interviewed if they were breaking the law?
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