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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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...pushing them into coalitions where they have to compromise to find policies acceptable to more than just their own party's narrow interests. So Merkel, for example, is in a coalition with the support of roughly 62% of voters.
Strange that you make a coalition something positive. The disadvantages are clear: slower (or no) decisions are taken and accountability is unclear
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Can someone answer a hopefully simple Brexit question?

We're in the transition period now. Aside from a party the other night, how is that different from the past few years?

Nothing has really changed and everything still has to be negotiated, doesn't it?
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Old 04.02.2020, 20:23
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How funny, the same people who object to FPTP also object to the Majority vote on leaving the EU. (something to do with non binding majority decision)
Yeah. I thought it was perfectly fine and entirely in line with British parliamentary democracy, for the sovereign parliament to frustrate "the will of the people". I also think it is fine and entirely in line with British parliamentary democracy, for the Tories to try to actually bring some form of Brexit into being.

On the whole though, I'm in favour of FPTP being replaced by some form of PR. I do recall reading somewhere, that mathematically, there's no entirely fair system of democracy.

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Nothing has really changed and everything still has to be negotiated
All that's changed while the UK is transitioning (while self-identifying as non-EU), is that the UK has no say on EU business.
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Old 04.02.2020, 20:27
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...pushing them into coalitions where they have to compromise to find policies acceptable to more than just their own party's narrow interests. So Merkel, for example, is in a coalition with the support of roughly 62% of voters.
Remain MP’s had two and half years to insert a government of “National Unity”. They could have easily removed Boris in his first few months but they were not able to manage it because they couldn’t agree on a PM. Given the embarrassment of the Rotten Parliament, I think the country needs to stay well away from coalitions.
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Aside from a party the other night, how is that different from the past few years?
Some have awoken to an agonising hangover....

"What did I do, what did I do?"

(sorry, this is the only way I can picture the more rational brexiteers)
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It was never going to get better. Roll on the next GE.
I didn't realise you were a Tory, because no-one else is going to win it.

Even Labours greatest leader in living memory has reached acceptance:
“Brexit is happening, and our attitude now should be to strive to make the best of it; to approach it with determined optimism, not looking over our shoulders in unrequited longing for what was."


Labour have a mountain to climb, and just like the Democrats over in the US, they have no leadership material.
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Old 04.02.2020, 22:28
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Croatia's ambassador to the EU says Thank you, goodbye and good riddance after
chairing the last EU meeting that involved the UK as a member state.

BBC News - Brexit: Croatia wishes the UK good riddance on leaving the EU
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Old 04.02.2020, 22:34
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I didn't realise you were a Tory, because no-one else is going to win it.

Even Labours greatest leader in living memory has reached acceptance:
“Brexit is happening, and our attitude now should be to strive to make the best of it; to approach it with determined optimism, not looking over our shoulders in unrequited longing for what was."


Labour have a mountain to climb, and just like the Democrats over in the US, they have no leadership material.
You are mixing up US politics with British politics....cute.

You and Tony.
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I didn't realise you were a Tory, because no-one else is going to win it.
Do you also add 2 and 2 and come up with pineapple squared? As for the Blair link...

Highly ridiculous comment. Do you even understand what I wrote?
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Old 05.02.2020, 01:43
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Talking about UK GEs, I managed to shock a Swiss friend last night when I explained to him that Johnson only got 43% of the votes. He just assumed that as he got 56% of the seats he must have received that level of votes. I suspect a lot of Swiss would have the same misunderstanding.

He was even more shocked when I explained the House of Lords to him.
Did your Swiss friend explain to you how in the Ständerat the smallest cantons can band together and block stuff, despite being only a tiny minority population-wise?

There are, however, good reasons why it is so.
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Old 05.02.2020, 08:03
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Labour have a mountain to climb, and just like the Democrats over in the US, they have no leadership material.
Yes, it looks very much like the Democrats are about to elect their own version of Jeremy Corbyn, which will end in the same result for them.
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Boris Johnson laid out his objectives for trade on Monday and I must say I was very impressed. Parallel trade talks are going to be held with a number of other nations is a very positive step. Mr Johnson's willingness to accept trade friction at the border is also a sign that he is not desperate and won't be put off by threats.

Michel Barnier also set out the EU's objectives which included the UK continuing with EU Competition and Subsidies policy, ECJ contuing to have a role, fishing access to UK waters and that the UK can never sign a better trade deal elsewhere. Sounds a lot like EU membership to me!

I expect we're heading for quite a crash between the two sides, sooner rather than later.
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Old 05.02.2020, 09:15
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Boris Johnson laid out his objectives for trade on Monday and I must say I was very impressed. Parallel trade talks are going to be held with a number of other nations is a very positive step. Mr Johnson's willingness to accept trade friction at the border is also a sign that he is not desperate and won't be put off by threats.

Michel Barnier also set out the EU's objectives which included the UK continuing with EU Competition and Subsidies policy, ECJ contuing to have a role, fishing access to UK waters and that the UK can never sign a better trade deal elsewhere. Sounds a lot like EU membership to me!

I expect we're heading for quite a crash between the two sides, sooner rather than later.
Parallel trade talks are a good idea in principle but Britain simply does not have enough people to do this, simply trying to handle two negotiations with the EU and US will be a big strain. Britain has not handled any trade negotiations for the past 40 years while the EU did this so Britain has no experienced people.
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Happy Brexit all, from Ireland’s newest Citizen 😂
What's happened to Oirish?
Don't tell me he's jumped ship to englishforum.ir already?

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What's happened to Oirish?
Don't tell me he's jumped ship to englishforum.ir already?

I can imagine his introductory post:
Whst on earth are you talking about? You do seem to have a rabid obsession with this Irish passport thing. Is it jealousy?
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What's happened to Oirish?
Don't tell me he's jumped ship to englishforum.ir already?

I can imagine his introductory post:
I think StirB got sick of all of the rampant nutjobs and nincompoops on this forum and decided his time was better spent elsewhere and more constructively than engaging with said nutjobs and nincompoops in circular debates. Fair enough, I say.
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Yeah, You can be a bit tiresome.
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There is a particular sort of Americans who think they're more European than the European themselves (grand-grandpa' left Kilkenny county during the famine or something something). And it seems they're on the mission to rescue us. From....communism! EU represents the evil, the communists. Some live in the McCarthy era. Yes, seriously.
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There is a particular sort of Americans who think they're more European than the European themselves (grand-grandpa' left Kilkenny county during the famine or something something). And it seems they're on the mission to rescue us. From....communism! EU represents the evil, the communists. Some live in the McCarthy era. Yes, seriously.
Must be exhausting, all that pent up stuff making everything clench.
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Parallel trade talks are a good idea in principle but Britain simply does not have enough people to do this, simply trying to handle two negotiations with the EU and US will be a big strain. Britain has not handled any trade negotiations for the past 40 years while the EU did this so Britain has no experienced people.
When all they are trying to do is roll over the EU agreements they might manage to wing it... it does not take much to ask ‘please can we have our old agreement back’

Boris has already decided he is going to accept a Canadian style agreement - screw NI and services along the way. He just has to sell it to the country and use the time clause in the withdrawal agreement to force it through parliament.

The Donald is fixated on winning the popular vote in the US, so he is not going to do any deal that would risk loosing him 30m Irish America voters before the election in November.

So they might have not such a great need for seasoned negotiators after all.
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