The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	So, with Brexit finally over, isn't it time to close this thread? Tom

I wish it was over but sadly at least another year of kicking the can down the road.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Island Monkey
	During the referendum on gay marriage in Ireland, they were interviewing people on tv who flying back to Ireland from all over the world to vote. Surely they would not have agreed to be interviewed if they were breaking the law?

Most of them did not realize it was illegal until they got back to Ireland, went to the polling station and read the notice or more likely was stopped on the way in and advised to go home.

I still remember one genius that I challenged - he said his father had voted in every election since 1922, he had received the voting card for him and he was going to vote in this one too... his father had been dead for two months! But he thought he was entitled to on behalf of his father since he had received a voting card for him... The Garda decided he was a ‘soft idiot’ and sent him home with a warning.

[curley]

	Quote:
	We are all British my dear fellow, not English. England is an entirely different set of made up lines that partakes in sport. I do not hold loyalty to a set of line because I am told to do so, nor to a Monarch just because I've been told to do so. What society is this you talk of? There certainly isn't just the one in Britain, is there? What's the nonsense about expecting "an other society" [sic] to shoulder my burden? One has to qualify and this other country (not society) has deemed me a valid applicant, that's the end of any commitment. I am sure it is expedient to us both. The last line is the most interesting though, isn't it? You assume that because I hold little value in a set of lines, I value my family the same? I would point out my loyalties are very easy to judge and unambiguous - family before everything else. Can you honestly say the same without making yourself a hypocrite? Or does "country" just nestle somewhere halfway down your list of loyalties, yet you feel able to lecture others on its importance?

<<I do not hold loyalty to a set of line because I am told to do so, nor to a Monarch just because I've been told to do so.>> Didn't bother you as long as they did as you liked.
<< this other country (not society) has deemed me a valid applicant>>
Of course they did, you fulfilled the necessary requirements. They're not fooled though, they know you only flew by to pick up the papers.
And the society IS the country. An understanding that seems to be completely alien to Brits.
<<Can you honestly say the same without making yourself a hypocrite?>> Say what? If I had changed nationality every time I disliked the result of a voting here I would be very international by now.

And there is no point in arguing this, really. Because unlike in the English language - and therefore I guess in the societies using it - one can not win a discussion. One can only have a discussion.
And the only reason I really enjoy discussions is because it confronts me with different opinions and view points. Just to hear people constantly agree with me would not really be worth my time.
That might be the reason I don't shout "ban, BAN!" when ever someone peculiar shows up on EF.

	Quote:	curley
	<<I do not hold loyalty to a set of line because I am told to do so, nor to a Monarch just because I've been told to do so.>> Didn't bother you as long as they did as you liked. << this other country (not society) has deemed me a valid applicant>> Of course they did, you fulfilled the necessary requirements. They're not fooled though, they know you only flew by to pick up the papers. And the society IS the country. An understanding that seems to be completely alien to Brits. <<Can you honestly say the same without making yourself a hypocrite?>> Say what? If I had changed nationality every time I disliked the result of a voting here I would be very international by now. And there is no point in arguing this, really. Because unlike in the English language - and therefore I guess in the societies using it - one can not win a discussion. One can only have a discussion. And the only reason I really enjoy discussions is because it confronts me with different opinions and view points. Just to hear people constantly agree with me would not really be worth my time. That might be the reason I don't shout "ban, BAN!" when ever someone peculiar shows up on EF.

Wow, so much wrong to unpick.

	Quote:	curley
	<<I do not hold loyalty to a set of line because I am told to do so, nor to a Monarch just because I've been told to do so.>> Didn't bother you as long as they did as you liked.

Erm, I've been anti-monarchist for as long as I can remember - you'll probably find posts on here even pre-brexit with me spouting off about the inbred layabouts. I also don't believe the Monarchy ever did what I liked - strangely Prince Harry didn't give me a call about moving to Canada. What a bizarre notion.

	Quote:	curley
	<< this other country (not society) has deemed me a valid applicant>> Of course they did, you fulfilled the necessary requirements. They're not fooled though, they know you only flew by to pick up the papers. And the society IS the country. An understanding that seems to be completely alien to Brits.

Make your mind up, am I British or Irish (or indeed Swiss with the passport on the way, yeah, sorry about that ). I'm sure you'll welcome me with open arms anyway, you seem open minded like that.
Who exactly is not fooled? Do you think there's a committee of officials looking through each application and putting a black mark on the ones of convenience? Strangely, my Irish mates over here, of which I have many have welcomed me with open arms, yet you as a Swiss are annoyed on their behalf. In your words, ROFL.

	Quote:	curley
	<<Can you honestly say the same without making yourself a hypocrite?>> Say what? If I had changed nationality every time I disliked the result of a voting here I would be very international by now.

You didn't answer my question. If you're a patriot and a christian (for example), then surely your order of priorities has to be God then Switzerland then anything else. I feel my family is the most important thing, can you say the same? Which of the above would you die for? I think if you're honest, you'd say family and family only, so you can turn down the hypocrisy now.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Castro
	Last nights scenes in Parliament Square were truly embarrassing, I might need surgery to remove the cringe from my face

Will First of February be called Independence Day in UK?

It looks like some people lost any sense of proportion over there.

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	Wow, so much wrong to unpick. .

You should have known by now that most of the time, other people's perceptions of you have nothing to do with you.

[hairybadger]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Will First of February be called Independence Day in UK?

Not "Independence" - another word beginning with "I" but ending with "Y", 6 letters.

[robBob]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Will First of February be called Independence Day in UK?

No! It'll be called the end of EU free roaming in GB day.

[YuropFlyer]

"Now we need to pay for a Visa"-Day

[curley]

StirB posts going their usual off track wild again. ROFL.

However. Your post was:

	Quote:
	Happy Brexit all, from Ireland’s newest Citizen 😂

When the reaction to that was not "oh, you smart little devil (well one of a few hundreds ) what a wicked way to have the cake and eat it too" you turned it into a huge drivel about nationalism ..... all the way to Christianity

The Swiss part of me (yes I too have different nationalities but I was born with them) does not have to welcome you, as you don't want to join, you like the cake. Which is no surprise. I like it too.

	Quote:	curley
	StirB posts going their usual off track wild again. ROFL. However. Your post was: When the reaction to that was not "oh, you smart little devil (well one of a few hundreds ) what a wicked way to have the cake and eat it too" you turned it into a huge drivel about nationalism ..... all the way to Christianity The Swiss part of me (yes I too have different nationalities but I was born with them) does not have to welcome you, as you don't want to join, you like the cake. Which is no surprise. I like it too.

I still haven’t decided if you’re a parody account or genuinely thick.

How does it matter how nationality or citizenship was acquired? You want a medal because you were born with multiple nationalities? Guess what, me too, but my Irish lineage has lain dormant until it was needed. They are happy, I’m happy, you’re upset.

You luckily don’t get to decide how well integrated I am or whether I’m worthy of a slice of the Swiss pie I’ve paid into for 13 years without being allowed to vote, so cheer up, no point getting worked up about something that you can’t influence.

Btw, you do realise that I’m still a British citizen, right? So what am i meant to have run away from exactly?

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	curley
	<<I do not hold loyalty to a set of line because I am told to do so, nor to a Monarch just because I've been told to do so.>> Didn't bother you as long as they did as you liked. << this other country (not society) has deemed me a valid applicant>> Of course they did, you fulfilled the necessary requirements. They're not fooled though, they know you only flew by to pick up the papers. And the society IS the country. An understanding that seems to be completely alien to Brits. <<Can you honestly say the same without making yourself a hypocrite?>> Say what? If I had changed nationality every time I disliked the result of a voting here I would be very international by now. And there is no point in arguing this, really. Because unlike in the English language - and therefore I guess in the societies using it - one can not win a discussion. One can only have a discussion. And the only reason I really enjoy discussions is because it confronts me with different opinions and view points. Just to hear people constantly agree with me would not really be worth my time. That might be the reason I don't shout "ban, BAN!" when ever someone peculiar shows up on EF.

Could you not have used the quote function?
That post is seriously hard to read.

[st2lemans]

	Quote:
	Make your mind up, am I British or Irish (or indeed Swiss with the passport on the way, yeah, sorry about that ).

Well, it's cool if you vote MY way.

Cooler yet if you aren't some vegan loonie!

Tom

[curley]

	Quote:
	I still haven’t decided if you’re a parody account or genuinely thick. How does it matter how nationality or citizenship was acquired? You want a medal because you were born with multiple nationalities? Guess what, me too, but my Irish lineage has lain dormant until it was needed. They are happy, I’m happy, you’re upset. You luckily don’t get to decide how well integrated I am or whether I’m worthy of a slice of the Swiss pie I’ve paid into for 13 years without being allowed to vote, so cheer up, no point getting worked up about something that you can’t influence. Btw, you do realise that I’m still a British citizen, right? So what am i meant to have run away from exactly?

You think if someone makes a statement in reference of a post of you's, that someone is upset? You take yourself far too seriously.
Yes of course you are still British, hence the cake. I do not ponder about you - or who ever - becoming Swiss. You fulfil the criteria you do. Simple.The criteria were set by the society over the years, that's how things work here and I'm fine with that.

	Quote:	Belgianmum
	Could you not have used the quote function? That post is seriously hard to read.

I'm sorry, I didn't think it was. Being lazy.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	robBob
	No! It'll be called the end of EU free roaming in GB day.

For some reason you seem to have had a tiny orgasm?
Not true, btw.

	Quote:	YuropFlyer
	"Now we need to pay for a Visa"-Day

I doubt. We'll live and see. Just imagine the British having to ask and pay for visas to visit Spain for instance. This will mean visas, you know - reciprocity.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:
	How does it matter how nationality or citizenship was acquired? You want a medal because you were born with multiple nationalities? Guess what, me too, but my Irish lineage has lain dormant until it was needed. They are happy, I’m happy, you’re upset.

I assume you just applied for an Irish passport... or just registered your birth if a third generation and then applied for a passport, right?

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	I assume you just applied for an Irish passport... or just registered your birth if a third generation and then applied for a passport, right?

I hope you don't mind if I ask: are you interested in StirB's "case" as a procedure, conditions, or do you think it's wrong to "take advantage" of your lineage?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	greenmount
	I hope you don't mind if I ask: are you interested in StirB's "case" as a procedure, conditions, or do you think it's wrong to "take advantage" of your lineage?

I'm assuming that they were always Irish and it was just a procedural issue as opposed to actually applying for Irish citizenship.

As for taking advantage of your lineage, that Irish attitude is: so what, fair play to them. We've never been particularly concerned about claiming Irish passports, if they are entitled to them. In the US alone the Irish Department of Foreign Affairs estimate that about 30 million Americans are entitled to hold an Irish passport, so an extra million Brits suddenly realising they are actually Irish, is just seen viewed with a bit of amusement.

They really are not going to cost the Irish tax payer anything.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	I assume you just applied for an Irish passport... or just registered your birth if a third generation and then applied for a passport, right?

Exactly this, Irish grandma.

[fatmanfilms]

I met a lovely German couple today. I said “Vorsprung Durch Brexit” They agreed. She is an economist, he a lawyer.....

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I met a lovely German couple today. I said “Vorsprung Durch Brexit” They agreed. She is an economist, he a lawyer.....

I met a few lovely English lads last night, Chelsea fans. They were extolling the virtues of Brexit in a most eloquent way. I think they might have won me over, actually.

https://twitter.com/johnmerrylin/sta...346498048?s=21