The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	greenmount
	There is a particular sort of Americans who think they're more European than the European themselves (grand-grandpa' left Kilkenny county during the famine or something something). And it seems they're on the mission to rescue us. From....communism! EU represents the evil, the communists. Some live in the McCarthy era. Yes, seriously.

Yep, “I’m Irish too!”.. and where do you come from?.. “New Mexico”.. as I have been told on one occasion.

[greenmount]

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	Must be exhausting, all that pent up stuff making everything clench.

I remember there were a few of you (who can easily detect if someone is not from UK) who asked TC et co. to admit they're not British. Never happened. As if someone would need a UK pass to debate this theme. Yet, they seem to have a fascination for this thread and speak fervently in favour of Brexit no matter what, Brexit Brexit at all costs, and speak as if it was the best thing that could have happened to your country. As if they were British. No matter how hard, civilised, polite, less polite, how many arguments you brought to make them drop the nonsense they're still here. Making fun of you, laughing at you. Ok, I know in internet terms this is called trolling but still....I have a vague feeling they're also convinced they are right. That they do you a favour if you know what I mean.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Yep, “I’m Irish too!”.. and where do you come from?.. “New Mexico”.. as I have been told on one occasion.

Oh common, you can't blame them. Irish is cool.

I didn't want to focus on a particular nationality, I mentioned Irish because some people here seem obsessed with the Irish. They might be "Irish" at the end of the day, but that doesn't mean they do understand what's happening in Europe.

[Full Circle]

	Quote:	greenmount
	There is a particular sort of Americans who think they're more European than the European themselves (grand-grandpa' left Kilkenny county during the famine or something something). And it seems they're on the mission to rescue us. From....communism! EU represents the evil, the communists. Some live in the McCarthy era. Yes, seriously.

Or maybe there's some people who can simply see the undermining problems with the EU.
And those who see the irony of people moving to a successful non-EU country whilst extolling the virtues of the EU.

[amogles]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Oh common, you can't blame them. Irish is cool. I didn't want to focus on a particular nationality, I mentioned Irish because some people here seem obsessed with the Irish. They might be "Irish" at the end of the day, but that doesn't mean they do understand what's happening in Europe.

The thing is, depending how you define Irishness, there are a lot more Irish people than you maybe assume. I think in the UK something like 60% have some Irish ancestry, however remote. I guess in ther USA the figure could well be similar. The figure could be even higher for Australia, Canada etc. With people having been emmigrating out of Ireland since time immemorial, this is only logical.

I guess most people don't make much out of their Irishness, other than in jest maybe. But when you meet somebody and get into the smalltalk its natural that you start off by discusisng what you have in comon, however meaningless or irrelevant. That's not the same as having an obsession.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Full Circle
	Or maybe there's some people who can simply see the undermining problems with the EU.

Nope, I can certainty they don't, because they are unaware of the EU and most of what is going on internationally. Their thinking is about 50 years behind.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	marton
	Parallel trade talks are a good idea in principle but Britain simply does not have enough people to do this, simply trying to handle two negotiations with the EU and US will be a big strain. Britain has not handled any trade negotiations for the past 40 years while the EU did this so Britain has no experienced people.

You are correct, however this is merely the result of having someone else being responsible for trade talks. Another problem that the UK will have to overcome is attracting talent to the civil service to fill the numbers as the pay is so poor. Nevertheless, I fully support the strategy being adopted. Focusing all resources on getting a deal out of the EU where the early indications are not looking good makes it all the more sensible to start work elsewhere. There is also the added advantage that this may help focus EU minds. Not least when trade talks begin with the US, whilst I think even the most optimistic of people don't believe a trade deal can be struck before the Presidential elections (which is what the US have said is their aim), there are a number of micro deals that can be done, which don't require the approval of US congress and which may also put pressure on the EU.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Nope, I can certainty they don't, because they are unaware of the EU and most of what is going on internationally. Their thinking is about 50 years behind.

Only 50 you say, I figured it was a much older era....
But true. They ingested everything Boris etc have spouted in public without ever bothering to check how accurate or true that is. Everything they wrote about EU has proven to be a big fat lie. I guess it's easy to read anti-EU articles today. Heck, Russia too provides a great deal of anti-EU material, and unsurprisingly these views coincide. Well, it's obvious for those who do bother to check the source of their information....

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	greenmount
	Only 50 you say, I figured it was a much older era.... But true. They ingested everything Boris etc have spouted in public without ever bothering to check how accurate or true that is. Everything they wrote about EU has proven to be a big fat lie. I guess it's easy to read anti-EU articles today. Heck, Russia too provides a great deal of anti-EU material, and unsurprisingly these views coincide. Well, it's obvious for those who do bother to check the source of their information....

There were people who stockpiled toilet rolls, who claimed they’d no longer be able to travel to France, who said there would be hundreds of thousands of job losses, who said the EU was responsible for LGBT rights. We’re on day 5 of Brexit and the world has not ended. Now who’s the ones who were lying again?!?

[amogles]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	There were people who stockpiled toilet rolls, who claimed they’d no longer be able to travel to France, who said there would be hundreds of thousands of job losses, who said the EU was responsible for LGBT rights. We’re on day 5 of Brexit and the world has not ended. Now who’s the ones who were lying again?!?

Not to mention that outbreak of gonnorhea, and the total end of western civilisation.

[Full Circle]

	Quote:	Chuff
	I think StirB got sick of all of the rampant nutjobs and nincompoops on this forum and decided his time was better spent elsewhere and more constructively than engaging with said nutjobs and nincompoops in circular debates. Fair enough, I say.

So in other words, he flounced.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	... who said there would be hundreds of thousands of job losses...

Please feel free to check the figures given here. Not all are correct, but I'm sure you'll have lots of fun checking them all. https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	We’re on day 5 of Brexit and the world has not ended. Now who’s the ones who were lying again?!?

Another one who's pretending to not understand the meaning of 'transition period'.

[roegner]

Again, please stop all personal attacks, complaints about persons here and get back on track with the thread ?

[amogles]

	Quote:	Chuff
	I think StirB got sick of all of the rampant nutjobs and nincompoops on this forum and decided his time was better spent elsewhere and more constructively than engaging with said nutjobs and nincompoops in circular debates. Fair enough, I say.

Deeply ironic, seeing [name redacted] came across as a rampant nutjob who believed it was his mission in life to prove to other rampant nutjobs that he was right and they were wrong.

Agreeing to disagree, seeing the funny side of it, or even backing off and cooling off for a bit, were concepts wholly alien to him.

So I wonder with which rampant nutjobs he thinks his time is better invested in the future.

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	There were people who stockpiled toilet rolls, who claimed they’d no longer be able to travel to France, who said there would be hundreds of thousands of job losses, who said the EU was responsible for LGBT rights. We’re on day 5 of Brexit and the world has not ended. Now who’s the ones who were lying again?!?

To answer your question about lying it is the people who believe Brexit has started! The real Brexit starts when the transition period is over and we have a new EU trade deal or not, at the moment nothing has really changed for the UK WRT the EU relationship.

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	The withdrawal agreement provides for a transition period until 31 December 2020, during which the UK remains in the single market, in order to ensure frictionless trade until a long-term relationship is agreed.

	Quote:	Full Circle
	So in other words, he flounced.

You are obsessed. And making something personal that does not need to be. You have also been asked to desist.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Please feel free to check the figures given here. Not all are correct, but I'm sure you'll have lots of fun checking them all. https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/ Another one who's pretending to not understand the meaning of 'transition period'.

I don't think a good deal of folk on here understand transition period, or indeed the full impact of no longer being in the EU. It's a cross between a car-crash gawp and an 'I'm all right Jack" situation.

[Full Circle]

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	You are obsessed. And making something personal that does not need to be. You have also been asked to desist.

Pretty sure the rules apply to you as well.

	Quote:	Full Circle
	Pretty sure the rules apply to you as well.

I'm sure they do, but you are here to respond. The person you are attacking is not. That's the difference.

[Full Circle]

That was all before the moderator said to put the thread back on track. Then you bought it up again. Anyway, back to the thread