The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	... who said there would be hundreds of thousands of job losses...

Please feel free to check the figures given here. Not all are correct, but I'm sure you'll have lots of fun checking them all. https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	We’re on day 5 of Brexit and the world has not ended. Now who’s the ones who were lying again?!?

Another one who's pretending to not understand the meaning of 'transition period'.

[roegner]

Again, please stop all personal attacks, complaints about persons here and get back on track with the thread ?

[amogles]

	Quote:	Chuff
	I think StirB got sick of all of the rampant nutjobs and nincompoops on this forum and decided his time was better spent elsewhere and more constructively than engaging with said nutjobs and nincompoops in circular debates. Fair enough, I say.

Deeply ironic, seeing [name redacted] came across as a rampant nutjob who believed it was his mission in life to prove to other rampant nutjobs that he was right and they were wrong.

Agreeing to disagree, seeing the funny side of it, or even backing off and cooling off for a bit, were concepts wholly alien to him.

So I wonder with which rampant nutjobs he thinks his time is better invested in the future.

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	There were people who stockpiled toilet rolls, who claimed they’d no longer be able to travel to France, who said there would be hundreds of thousands of job losses, who said the EU was responsible for LGBT rights. We’re on day 5 of Brexit and the world has not ended. Now who’s the ones who were lying again?!?

To answer your question about lying it is the people who believe Brexit has started! The real Brexit starts when the transition period is over and we have a new EU trade deal or not, at the moment nothing has really changed for the UK WRT the EU relationship.

	Quote:
	The withdrawal agreement provides for a transition period until 31 December 2020, during which the UK remains in the single market, in order to ensure frictionless trade until a long-term relationship is agreed.

	Quote:	Full Circle
	So in other words, he flounced.

You are obsessed. And making something personal that does not need to be. You have also been asked to desist.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Please feel free to check the figures given here. Not all are correct, but I'm sure you'll have lots of fun checking them all. https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/ Another one who's pretending to not understand the meaning of 'transition period'.

I don't think a good deal of folk on here understand transition period, or indeed the full impact of no longer being in the EU. It's a cross between a car-crash gawp and an 'I'm all right Jack" situation.

[Full Circle]

	Quote:
	You are obsessed. And making something personal that does not need to be. You have also been asked to desist.

Pretty sure the rules apply to you as well.

	Quote:	Full Circle
	Pretty sure the rules apply to you as well.

I'm sure they do, but you are here to respond. The person you are attacking is not. That's the difference.

[Full Circle]

That was all before the moderator said to put the thread back on track. Then you bought it up again. Anyway, back to the thread

[Chuff]

	Quote:	amogles
	Deeply ironic, seeing [name redacted] came across as a rampant nutjob who believed it was his mission in life to prove to other rampant nutjobs that he was right and they were wrong. Agreeing to disagree, seeing the funny side of it, or even backing off and cooling off for a bit, were concepts wholly alien to him. So I wonder with which rampant nutjobs he thinks his time is better invested in the future.

Heated and empassioned, yes. Didn't know when to let go sometimes (like most of us on various occasions), sure. But definitely not a nutjob when judged by the illustrious standards of this forum.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Chuff
	Heated and empassioned, yes. Didn't know when to let go sometimes (like most of us on various occasions), sure. But definitely not a nutjob when judged by the illustrious standards of this forum.

maybe that's something we can agree to disagree on

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	To answer your question about lying it is the people who believe Brexit has started! The real Brexit starts when the transition period is over and we have a new EU trade deal or not, at the moment nothing has really changed for the UK WRT the EU relationship.

I expect that it will really sink in when they start trying to get a trade deal from the US... Getting the Canada/Mexico deal through Congress took a lot of backtracking on Trump's side and that is nothing compared to having to find something acceptable to both Democrat and Republic congressmen who have a heavy Irish-American voting block in their district.

For Irish-American voters 'they' solved the Irish situation with the GFA, hell, it was all their idea don't you know. And it would be a brave congressman that would vote to upset that delusion.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Please feel free to check the figures given here. Not all are correct, but I'm sure you'll have lots of fun checking them all. https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/ Another one who's pretending to not understand the meaning of 'transition period'.

I'm sure Mr Hickmott is very diligent in updating his list, however the methodology used is so flawed and bias influenced that it can't be taken in any seriousness. I'll stick to trusting the figures released by the ONS thanks

	Quote:	marton
	To answer your question about lying it is the people who believe Brexit has started! The real Brexit starts when the transition period is over and we have a new EU trade deal or not, at the moment nothing has really changed for the UK WRT the EU relationship.

	Quote:
	I don't think a good deal of folk on here understand transition period, or indeed the full impact of no longer being in the EU. It's a cross between a car-crash gawp and an 'I'm all right Jack" situation.

We do understand what the transition period is, but lets not forget that so much of what was said during the last 4 years was said irregardless of the transition period. Everything from recessions and food and medicines shortages, right up to planes being grounded and as amogles reminded me, SUPER gonorrhea! Everyone told lies during the last 4 years, but the real whoppers have come from the Remain side.

What's most peculiar, is that when the time comes and all the apocalyptic prophecies are proven to be wrong, is that people double down on them! This is a behaviour not limited to Brexit, but we see it elsewhere too, like with climate change predictions, or with what Donald Trump is going to do next. So now instead of saying "yeah, we may have gotten that wrong", what we hear is, "oh, you just WAIT until the transition period is over!".

It's a strange modern phenomenon that the truth isn't enough, people need to be shocked. Things will change after the transition period, without a doubt. There will be additional trade friction, isn't it enough to leave it there without the crazy predictions? Remember, life has never been so good

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	We do understand what the transition period is, but lets not forget that so much of what was said during the last 4 years was said irregardless of the transition period. Everything from recessions and food and medicines shortages, right up to planes being grounded and as amogles reminded me, SUPER gonorrhea! Everyone told lies during the last 4 years, but the real whoppers have come from the Remain side. What's most peculiar, is that when the time comes and all the apocalyptic prophecies are proven to be wrong, is that people double down on them! This is a behaviour not limited to Brexit, but we see it elsewhere too, like with climate change predictions, or with what Donald Trump is going to do next. So now instead of saying "yeah, we may have gotten that wrong", what we hear is, "oh, you just WAIT until the transition period is over!". It's a strange modern phenomenon that the truth isn't enough, people need to be shocked. Things will change after the transition period, without a doubt. There will be additional trade friction, isn't it enough to leave it there without the crazy predictions? Remember, life has never been so good

Oh the irony.

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	I'm sure Mr Hickmott is very diligent in updating his list, however the methodology used is so flawed and bias influenced that it can't be taken in any seriousness. I'll stick to trusting the figures released by the ONS thanks We do understand what the transition period is, but lets not forget that so much of what was said during the last 4 years was said irregardless of the transition period. Everything from recessions and food and medicines shortages, right up to planes being grounded and as amogles reminded me, SUPER gonorrhea! Everyone told lies during the last 4 years, but the real whoppers have come from the Remain side. What's most peculiar, is that when the time comes and all the apocalyptic prophecies are proven to be wrong, is that people double down on them! This is a behaviour not limited to Brexit, but we see it elsewhere too, like with climate change predictions, or with what Donald Trump is going to do next. So now instead of saying "yeah, we may have gotten that wrong", what we hear is, "oh, you just WAIT until the transition period is over!". It's a strange modern phenomenon that the truth isn't enough, people need to be shocked. Things will change after the transition period, without a doubt. There will be additional trade friction, isn't it enough to leave it there without the crazy predictions? Remember, life has never been so good

All the predictions about the effect of Brexit were based on when Brexit started. The fact is Brexit does not start until after the transition period.

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	All the predictions about the effect of Brexit were based on when Brexit started. The fact is Brexit does not start until after the transition period.

ahem,

that is precisely what TonyClifton just said.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	We do understand what the transition period is, but lets not forget that so much of what was said during the last 4 years was said irregardless of the transition period. Everything from recessions and food and medicines shortages, right up to planes being grounded

No. It was only in the case of a no deal Brexit which then looked likely and may still happen in 2021.

At the moment the UK remains de facto in the EU, in the single market, subject to the ECJ and in customs union. Just without voting rights.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	amogles
	ahem, that is precisely what TonyClifton just said.

It's not what he said in post #26738...

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	We’re on day 5 of Brexit and the world has not ended. Now who’s the ones who were lying again?!?

[marton]

	Quote:	marton
	All the predictions about the effect of Brexit were based on when Brexit started. The fact is Brexit does not start until after the transition period.

	Quote:	amogles
	ahem, that is precisely what TonyClifton just said.

	Quote:
	No. It was only in the case of a no deal Brexit which then looked likely and may still happen in 2021. At the moment the UK remains de facto in the EU, in the single market, subject to the ECJ and in customs union. Just without voting rights.

Taxation without representation brought to you courtesy of Brexit.

[CodPeace]

	Quote:	marton
	Taxation without representation brought to you courtesy of Brexit.

It's the transition period, we all knew it was going to happen, nothing to get excited about. Will be over in December.