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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 05.02.2020, 19:02
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When all they are trying to do is roll over the EU agreements they might manage to wing it... it does not take much to ask ‘please can we have our old agreement back’

Boris has already decided he is going to accept a Canadian style agreement - screw NI and services along the way. He just has to sell it to the country and use the time clause in the withdrawal agreement to force it through parliament.

The Donald is fixated on winning the popular vote in the US, so he is not going to do any deal that would risk loosing him 30m Irish America voters before the election in November.

So they might have not such a great need for seasoned negotiators after all.
Broad principles can be agreed at a high level but such trade agreements usually run to hundreds of pages with many detailed definitions so require knowledgeable people to manage them.

As the Arabs found with Trump's peace plan it is unwise to let the other side write the document alone because then you find when you get into the small print it is quite a different story from the headlines!
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Old 05.02.2020, 19:39
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Broad principles can be agreed at a high level but such trade agreements usually run to hundreds of pages with many detailed definitions so require knowledgeable people to manage them.
Boris does not do details, I expect he'll just go for the Canada agreement and go with it.
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Old 05.02.2020, 20:17
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Boris does not do details, I expect he'll just go for the Canada agreement and go with it.
Hopefully someone shows him the "find replace" function in Word otherwise Trudeau might get a bit irritated
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Old 06.02.2020, 09:11
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Deeply ironic, seeing [name redacted] came across as a rampant nutjob who believed it was his mission in life to prove to other rampant nutjobs that he was right and they were wrong.

Agreeing to disagree, seeing the funny side of it, or even backing off and cooling off for a bit, were concepts wholly alien to him.

So I wonder with which rampant nutjobs he thinks his time is better invested in the future.
I think this post tells more about you than him. I have rarely seen a post containing such a deep contempt or hatred. I don't think I'm wrong when I say hatred. As far as I remember he did nothing to you so that's rather surprising.
Anyways, it's in bad taste to write all these things after this user deleted his account here and can't reply anything.
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Old 06.02.2020, 10:12
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I have rarely seen a post containing such a deep contempt or hatred. I don't think I'm wrong when I say hatred.
You realize he's actually using the exact same words from the quoted poster who used those words to defend [name redacted]. So it's hatred when you disagree with someone, but it's ok if you agree with someone?
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Old 06.02.2020, 10:30
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You realize he's actually using the exact same words from the quoted poster who used those words to defend [name redacted]. So it's hatred when you disagree with someone, but it's ok if you agree with someone?
Did you just get a new big shiny spoon you've been dying to try out?

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Old 06.02.2020, 10:56
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You realize he's actually using the exact same words from the quoted poster who used those words to defend [name redacted]. So it's hatred when you disagree with someone, but it's ok if you agree with someone?
I think you have a very weak argument here. Chuff's vague references to the collective "nutjobs" of the forum (I'm sure he included you and me here too, and probably almost everyone else )...well, nothing new here, most of us have been there before with...chuff.
On the other hand, the ad hominem in the post I mentioned....with references to someone's entire life and character, is exactly what I did say it is. I'm not sure you can notice the difference, how disappointing.
It's probably more important for you to get back at chuff and 22yards for some past offences than being objective in the cases that are currently discussed. Whatever. Have at it.
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Old 06.02.2020, 11:02
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I think you have a very weak argument here. .
Riiight, let me help you see it better

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...rampant nutjobs and nincompoops on this forum ...said nutjobs and nincompoops in circular debates. Fair enough, I say.
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...rampant nutjob who believed it was his mission in life to prove to other rampant nutjobs that he was right and they were wrong.
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Old 06.02.2020, 11:07
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Riiight, let me help you see it better
Did you even bother to read my reply? Or if you did, I don't think you understood.

Anyway, in order to not fall in the category that chuff and amogles so "kindly" described (obviously excluding themselves), I think we should leave it at that. At least I'll do, for one.
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Old 06.02.2020, 11:15
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Did you even bother to read my reply? Or if you did, I don't think you understood.
Of course, when you disagree with me, I don't understand. I merely copy-pasted identical responses by two members to show you how your perception TO THE SAME THING is fundamentally different depending on whether you agree or disagree with a person. But yes, I don't understand.
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Old 06.02.2020, 12:16
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I think this post tells more about you than him. I have rarely seen a post containing such a deep contempt or hatred. I don't think I'm wrong when I say hatred. As far as I remember he did nothing to you so that's rather surprising.
Anyways, it's in bad taste to write all these things after this user deleted his account here and can't reply anything.
As I'm assuming he didn't share his PMs and stuff with you, no, you probably didn't see it.

And seeding you fielded the words hater and hate here, yes, that was him. Deep ugly unfettered hate. You couldn't get it uglier than that.

And don't worry, he will be back. And he will be replying.
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Old 06.02.2020, 12:21
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Hopefully someone shows him the "find replace" function in Word otherwise Trudeau might get a bit irritated
No, it's easier to rename the United Kingdom and call it Canada.

Send Trudeau a memo telling him to deal with it.

Much better on those internet form scroll thingies, so you don't have to scroll all the way down to U only to realize somebody has put the UK under G.
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Of course, when you disagree with me, I don't understand. I merely copy-pasted identical responses by two members to show you how your perception TO THE SAME THING is fundamentally different depending on whether you agree or disagree with a person. But yes, I don't understand.
One poster was using that lovely phrase to refer to existing forum members.
The other used it to refer to a member who had chosen to leave and therefore couldn't respond.

It's a shitty phrase whoever said it. Made more craven when there is no chance of comeback. IMO. Obvs.


So.

Boris,
Brexit transition,
That idiot dude who resigned in Scotland because he forgot the internet wasn't private...
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One poster was using that lovely phrase to refer to existing forum members.
The other used it to refer to a member who had chosen to leave and therefore couldn't respond.

It's a shitty phrase whoever said it.
Strange that you and greenmount thanked the first posted who used the phrase, presumably against people you don't like
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Old 06.02.2020, 12:34
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That idiot dude who resigned in Scotland because he forgot the internet wasn't private...
Wow...(from BBC) "Derek Mackay...sent about 270 messages on Instagram and through Facebook..." one could possibly give him the benefit of doubt if it was one or two, but 270?! this is one persistent peadophile
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Strange that you and greenmount thanked the first posted who used the phrase, presumably against people you don't like
Strange that you are persistently focused on certain details while entirely missing the point. I agreed with the post overall.

But you carry on trolling from your dupe account. You have mod support so I suppose you feel entirely justified.
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As I'm assuming he didn't share his PMs and stuff with you, no, you probably didn't see it.

And seeding you fielded the words hater and hate here, yes, that was him. Deep ugly unfettered hate. You couldn't get it uglier than that.
I just ask my partner what he's like as they're friends from many moons ago. I've never met him, but my partner (who's a big softie at the best of times ) says he's a great bloke, and that's all I need to know.

A lot of meaning is lost in the written word.
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Strange that you and greenmount thanked the first posted who used the phrase, presumably against people you don't like
It's not strange to see the message for what it is and not the poster.
I agreed with the idea that it made sense for StirB (and in general, for all it matters) to delete his account rather than continue having circular arguments with the same people over and over again. Chuff is well known for name calling, so rest assured, once you're on the wrong side of the argument with chuff you're also whatever he calls whoever he calls there (I can safely assume it was EF at large...).
You're being thanked and backed up by other members (and a mod, what other self-worth confirmation you'd need?) so officially you're in a clique now. Congrats!
Can you drop the hypocrisy now and pretend you're being unfairly treated here?
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Old 06.02.2020, 13:32
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I agreed with the idea that it made sense for StirB (and in general, for all it matters) to delete his account rather than continue having circular arguments with the same people over and over again.
It takes two to tango and if people are prepared to go into the same arguments over and over again without bringing in anything that is new, that is their decision.

But seeing we're talking about the impression this forum makes on newbies. Would you rather join a forum where people fight the same bitter and ugly battles over and over again. Or would you rather be on a forum where maybe gloves can come off once in a while and the arguments get heated, but afterwards we all mend fences and talk about something else (as say, DB would do)?
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...but afterwards we all mend fences and talk about something else (as say, DB would do)?
Mend fences!? We make no compromises here, we'er EF-ers!
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