The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	1,000,000 EU citizens want to stay permanently in London, 3,000,000 over the entire country, sounds like the UK is still a good choice for many. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-a4355281.html

Well if you have lived somewhere for a long time then naturally you want to stay there. It cannot really be described as a choice because the alternative is to uproot your life, move your children out of school, find a job in another country where your whole family has to learn another language and move with you?

[gaburko]

In the meantime, the scene is being gradually set for the grand deal that Trump and BJ will do. As equals.

Trump ‘apoplectic’ in call with Johnson over Huawei

"British officials with knowledge of the exchange said they were taken aback by the force of the president’s language towards Mr Johnson..."

https://www.ft.com/content/a70f9506-...2-9ddbdc86190d

[marton]

	Quote:	gaburko
	In the meantime, the scene is being gradually set for the grand deal that Trump and BJ will do. As equals. Trump ‘apoplectic’ in call with Johnson over Huawei "British officials with knowledge of the exchange said they were taken aback by the force of the president’s language towards Mr Johnson..." https://www.ft.com/content/a70f9506-...2-9ddbdc86190d

I am sure everything will be OK on the night

[marton]

It is Friday and it made me laugh

[CodPeace]

	Quote:	marton
	Well if you have lived somewhere for a long time then naturally you want to stay there.

Well they didn't want to stay wherever it was they came from, and they must have been there a long time.

	Quote:	marton
	It cannot really be described as a choice

Of course it's a choice, or are you implying they are now trapped in the UK?

[marton]

	Quote:	CodPeace
	Well they didn't want to stay wherever it was they came from, and they must have been there a long time.

A sweeping and factless assumption.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	CodPeace
	Well they didn't want to stay wherever it was they came from, and they must have been there a long time.

How does this work?

[CodPeace]

	Quote:	marton
	A sweeping and factless assumption.

Yawn.


The UK haters just can't accept the fact that Brexit is happeneing, and the UK is still a desirable place to live.
Yes it's got its problems, and yes it may be in decline somewhat, but nonetheless, 3 million EU citizens want to live there.


3 million. Or they are all wrong and they should be listening to you?

[YuropFlyer]

Britain makes Arth-Goldau look like a foreigners paradise

In all seriousness, no one wishes them anything bad, but they deserve everything they'll (most probably) receive.

	Quote:	CodPeace
	Yawn. The UK haters just can't accept the fact that Brexit is happeneing, and the UK is still a desirable place to live. Yes it's got its problems, and yes it may be in decline somewhat, but nonetheless, 3 million EU citizens want to live there. 3 million. Or they are all wrong and they should be listening to you?

That must be the dumbest ever comparison

Hey, lets introduce the right to go wherever you want in the European Union.

30 years later..

Meh, we don't want to be part of it anymore. And take the 5% (not checking the numbers, but should be about correct) of our population that actually came here in a f..... generation (!!!!!!) back..

Don't know what's wrong with you, but you certainly had too much of the UKIP/AfD drink

[greenmount]

	Quote:	marton
	Well if you have lived somewhere for a long time then naturally you want to stay there. It cannot really be described as a choice because the alternative is to uproot your life, move your children out of school, find a job in another country where your whole family has to learn another language and move with you?

It makes me chuckle thinking of the Brexit hardliners who expected anyone kicked out starting first of February. It means UK actually needs them but hey ho.

[Full Circle]

	Quote:	YuropFlyer
	Britain makes Arth-Goldau look like a foreigners paradise In all seriousness, no one wishes them anything bad, but they deserve everything they'll (most probably) receive.

It probably just seems like that because Britain has been a soft touch for so long. The reality is that it will be still be a preferred destination for many immigrants.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Full Circle
	The reality is that it will be still be a preferred destination for many immigrants.

Absolutely. For those from Commonwealth states. Hope the British will open up again for those countries, they are gonna need it. Not only for the highly skilled jobs, but also for the other ones, the ones that British don't want to do. Although I doubt it didn't continually happened in the background......but then they couldn't blame EU.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	greenmount
	It makes me chuckle thinking of the Brexit hardliners who expected anyone kicked out starting first of February. It means UK actually needs them but hey ho.

The UK government have got their hands full still trying to kick out the Windrush people

	Quote:
	Ministers should consider ending the practice of deporting people who arrived in the UK as children, according to the much-anticipated Windrush report, which has been leaked days before dozens of people are set to be removed on a controversial charter flight to Jamaica.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9322851.html

And this is being reported in the Caribbean... https://stluciatimes.com/boris-johns...-must-proceed/

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	The UK government have got their hands full still trying to kick out the Windrush people https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9322851.html And this is being reported in the Caribbean... https://stluciatimes.com/boris-johns...-must-proceed/

As bad as the Windrush scandal was, and it was terrible, it shouldn’t be forgotten that one of the contributing factors towards it was Free Movement of People as part of EU membership. In order to stick to the government’s (crazy) immigration targets they could only focus on non EU immigrants. Non EU immigrants were unfairly targeted due to the protection afforded to EU immigrants from freedom of movement.

[marton]

	Quote:	CodPeace
	Yawn. The UK haters just can't accept the fact that Brexit is happeneing, and the UK is still a desirable place to live. Yes it's got its problems, and yes it may be in decline somewhat, but nonetheless, 3 million EU citizens want to live there. 3 million. Or they are all wrong and they should be listening to you?

Another non-native English speaker or just a failure of comprehension?
I posted

	Quote:
	Well if you have lived somewhere for a long time then naturally you want to stay there.

Meaning the EU citizens want to stay in the UK which is fine by me.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	As bad as the Windrush scandal was, and it was terrible, it shouldn’t be forgotten that one of the contributing factors towards it was Free Movement of People as part of EU membership. In order to stick to the government’s (crazy) immigration targets they could only focus on non EU immigrants. Non EU immigrants were unfairly targeted due to the protection afforded to EU immigrants from freedom of movement.

It is really weird how you connect two unrelated things.
But that's what the whole anti-EU propaganda was based on, lies and deceit. Immigration targets imposed by EU, I suppose? Maybe you should dig further and see what has caused the aforementioned scandal and which part of the legislation supports what UK government has done at the time. Come back afterwards and apologise.

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	As bad as the Windrush scandal was, and it was terrible, it shouldn’t be forgotten that one of the contributing factors towards it was Free Movement of People as part of EU membership. In order to stick to the government’s (crazy) immigration targets they could only focus on non EU immigrants. Non EU immigrants were unfairly targeted due to the protection afforded to EU immigrants from freedom of movement.

Nonsense!
You claim the UK Govt. targeted a few hundred Windrush immigrants due to the EU Free Movement of People while in each one of those Windrush scandal years the UK Govt. allowed entry to over 150,000 non-EU immigrants; approaching 200,000 in the last few years.
Makes no logical sense at all, they could have simply allowed in a few less non-EU immigrants?

BTW, the FMOP EU immigrants are now down to around 50,000 per year, down from peaks of over 200,000 in 2014/2015, so UK is no longer so attractive to EU people as some claim.

Source

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	greenmount
	It is really weird how you connect two unrelated things. But that's what the whole anti-EU propaganda was based on, lies and deceit. Immigration targets imposed by EU, I suppose? Maybe you should dig further and see what has caused the aforementioned scandal and which part of the legislation supports what UK government has done at the time. Come back afterwards and apologise.

It’s hard to have a discussion is you insist on being offended by anything that I write. The two are connected as the UK can only have a single immigration policy. Immigrants were coming from the EU and there was nothing that could be done to limit their numbers then it is logical that the immigrants which suffer are non EU.

This all stems back to the time when Theresa May was Home Secretary. Unfortunately Mrs May was obsessed with unrealistic immigration targets.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	It’s hard to have a discussion is you insist on being offended by anything that I write. The two are connected as the UK can only have a single immigration policy. Immigrants were coming from the EU and there was nothing that could be done to limit their numbers then it is logical that the immigrants which suffer are non EU. This all stems back to the time when Theresa May was Home Secretary. Unfortunately Mrs May was obsessed with unrealistic immigration targets.

That didn't answer anything, you are just repeating the same nonsense. I'd love to have a discussion with anyone here, but not with people who are deliberately trying to manipulate.

[Raffles]

	Quote:	greenmount
	It makes me chuckle thinking of the Brexit hardliners who expected anyone kicked out starting first of February. It means UK actually needs them but hey ho.

The amount of discussions I had over this very thing was unbelievable.
They also thought it meant kicking out people from Asian, or African countries. People voting for something they didn't understand, to me personally I believe the politicians played on people's misconceptions, allowed racism to rear it's ugly head again in England.