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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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The spirit of optimism drives forward.
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Glad somebody else's got it.
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Which spirit?
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You are correct, Free Movement of People has depleted Eastern Europe of their brightest and best. The result is a demographic crisis whereby pensions are barely able to be paid and a generation has vanished. Why should people accept this? Free Movement of People can only work between countries with a similar standard of living and economic structures.

This is the real cost of Free Movement of People, that whilst some countries have to bare the impact on their communities, salaries and infrastructure, others are suffering equally through the loss their communities and talent.
Stone the crows - Is TC still rabbiting on about Free Movement & how the EU started it all again !!

Historical fact - Free movement started with the Age of Empires which predates the EU, The Common Market, etc
and one of it's biggest perpetrators was the British Empire and their free movement of colonists.
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Old 14.02.2020, 23:21
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Stone the crows - Is TC still rabbiting on about Free Movement & how the EU started it all again !!

Historical fact - Free movement started with the Age of Empires which predates the EU, The Common Market, etc
and one of it's biggest perpetrators was the British Empire and their free movement of colonists.
Better tell that to all the people who think that without the EU all that will be no more .
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The trouble with TC is that he's forever pedalling the idea that it's some nasty Imperialist EU leaders who
started free movement of labour, etc when all the time the blame for putting Free Movement on a
truely global scale ( the sun never sets on the BE & all that jazz), are none other than those nasty
Imperialist Victorians in the name of The British Empire.
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Oh Colin

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...-queues/14/02/

As much fun as it would be to open up a can of schadenfreude, I think James O'Brien on LBC made the most sensible comment, 'don't blame Colin for getting fooled, blame those now occupying positions of power speaking via credible news sources who lied to him and fooled him'
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UK Q4 2019 GDP 0.0% mostly due to another poor showing from manufacturing, particularly the motor industry and Brexit proper has not even started yet due to the transition period.

Barnier points out in a speech today that it took nine years for the EU to reach their deal with Canada and it is the UK who are limiting the negotiation time period.
Germany also posted zero growth in Q4. France shrunk be 0.1%, Italy shrunk by 0.3% and the Eurozone grew by only 0.1%. This shows why a deal is necessary for all!
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Germany also posted zero growth in Q4. France shrunk be 0.1%, Italy shrunk by 0.3% and the Eurozone grew by only 0.1%. This shows why a deal is necessary for all!
A deal where UK gets everything they want, exactly as they want it ?
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Germany also posted zero growth in Q4. France shrunk be 0.1%, Italy shrunk by 0.3% and the Eurozone grew by only 0.1%. This shows why a deal is necessary for all!
I have a feeling that those members who want out will want to exit even more.
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I have a feeling that those members who want out will want to exit even more.
I have a feeling that those who want out are deluding themselves that they can do better outside of EU. And oftentimes, some of them forgot how much of their current development they actually owe to being an EU member.

I'd let them out just to bite the dust. Perhaps those who are less arrogant will benefit more in the future, I surely hope so.
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A deal where UK gets everything they want, exactly as they want it ?
No, just a deal where the UKs sovereignty is respected and no unreasonable demands are made
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No, just a deal where the UKs sovereignty is respected and no unreasonable demands are made
People often write phrases like "the UK's sovereignty is respected" but what does that actually mean? What is your personal view of the meaning?
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People often write phrases like "the UK's sovereignty is respected" but what does that actually mean? What is your personal view of the meaning?
That recognition is given to the UK's fishing grounds and access is there to be granted and not demanded. That a trade deal is not dependent on the UK "aligning" to European regulations and standards, that the UK is free to set her own tax and state aid regime without EU interference. That any arbitration mechanism isn't managed by the EU. Basically the same conditions that have formed the basis of the EU's trade deals with other sovereign nations like Japan and Canada.
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That recognition is given to the UK's fishing grounds and access is there to be granted and not demanded. That a trade deal is not dependent on the UK "aligning" to European regulations and standards, that the UK is free to set her own tax and state aid regime without EU interference. That any arbitration mechanism isn't managed by the EU. Basically the same conditions that have formed the basis of the EU's trade deals with other sovereign nations like Japan and Canada.
Oh boy.

Do you think the Great British Empire is still in effect too?
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Do you think the Great British Empire is still in effect too?
Probably not but the UK is outpacing the EU power house economies so is not in a hurry. Exports to China increased 40% last year & US is the largest trade of any country & both have no deal
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Do you think the Great British Empire is still in effect too?
Tony, does not understand what he is asking for.... the Canadian and Japanese deals include a clause that requires the EU to agree to either of those countries doing a better deal with any other country... perhaps the sovereignty bit is not so important then...
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That recognition is given to the UK's fishing grounds and access is there to be granted and not demanded. That a trade deal is not dependent on the UK "aligning" to European regulations and standards, that the UK is free to set her own tax and state aid regime without EU interference. That any arbitration mechanism isn't managed by the EU. Basically the same conditions that have formed the basis of the EU's trade deals with other sovereign nations like Japan and Canada.
From the Canadian CETA agreement
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Imports from Canada will have to satisfy all EU product rules and regulations – without exception. This means that CETA will not change the way the EU regulates food safety, including on GMO products or the ban on hormone-treated beef.
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