The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Plenty of jobs are on a list that gives you 50 points, many of which don't require a high level of education. Paying more would also fix the problem, capitalism supply & demand, plenty of people might get off their back sides if it paid more than benefits.

Need 70 points. Those last 20 can be tricky.



Anecdote alert: my friend, non EU, married to a Brit for 20, three kids, works 36 plus hours a week in a world-renowned hospital, OH working full time, mortgage, ties to the community has just told me she only gets 50 points. She's a graduate from a UK University, part-qualified nurse in the US (qualified to a nursing grade we don't have here as they all lived there for 10 years) but can't yet afford the fees to complete her training here. Her visa is up for renewal at the end of the year.

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	marton
	Switzerland has FMOP

Hopefully not for much longer.

Tom

[Blueangel]

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	Need 70 points. Those last 20 can be tricky.

Something that's bugging the crap out of me is that South Africa isn't on the list of countries automatically exempt from sitting an English language test, but the US and many other Commonwealth countries are. Fiji is also missing from the list despite English being an official language there. A country that has a national holiday for Prince Charles' birthday, and has a long history of it's troops serving in the British Army, hasn't made the list. Just for perspective, in 2009, Fiji's population was 851,967. Over 2,000 of them were serving in the British Army.

https://www.visabureau.com/united-ki...nglishlanguage

[John William]

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	Need 70 points. Those last 20 can be tricky.

I would base the last 20 points on the applicants ability to clean out the Latrines !!

[wantone]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Since CH is the most successful country in Europe & being outside the EU & UK has the lowest unemployment in the EU & is doing better than most. Being in the EU is not a precondition of success, it's actually better for smaller countries or poorer countries, Luxembourg being the biggest net winner. If you like socialism then the EU could be a good choice, the British people seem to prefer capitalism at the moment so voting BREXIT makes sense .

Common theme for the successful smaller countries is that they are huge wealth management hubs for the rest of the EU (and where wealth is generated by means of industry, tourism, trade etc.) This can be done to the extend that the real powerhouses of Europe (Germany & France, Italy, Spain, NL to a lesser extend) allow this flow of cash to CH, L or even Cyprus.

No way the UK can replicate this success due to its size (although the Tories will try to do it). Also some regions in the EU perform the same as CH believe it or not but they can do it only if the rest of the country (-ies) allow it.

	Quote:	John William
	I would base the last 20 points on the applicants ability to clean out the Latrines !!

You might but the UK Gov does not.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	John William
	I would base the last 20 points on the applicants ability to clean out the Latrines !!

That alone would disqualify my OH

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Minimum tax rates are set by the EU. State aid is also very highly regulated (see how they went after Ireland for their dealings with Apple). Regarding regulations and standards, the idea of not aligning isn’t to lower them, it’s rather to ensure they better match to the requirements of the UK. Why should the EU be seen as the authority on this matter?!

So far the direction of regulation change is lower...

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	Google is to move the data and user accounts of its British users from the EU to the US, placing them outside the strong privacy protections offered by European regulators.

[CodPeace]

Tony Blair talking sense.
Love him or loathe him, he's absolutely correct.
Labour will never win another election unless they ditch the left wing politics and return to the center ground, currently occupied by the Tories.


And what do Labour come up with today, backing Trans rights.
Possibly the smallest minority group in the country. There are more ferret fanciers in the UK than trans gender people.

Way to go Labour, proving once again to the masses that they have lost all connections with real issues.


This is why the Tories will rule for 10 years, despite whatever happens with Brexit.

[Full Circle]

	Quote:	John William
	Finding the right skill sets or rather finding the right workers with the right attitude who consider 'dirty work is not beneath them' these days !! Video - Local Workers won't do this sort of dirty work

'right workers with the right attitude' = locals who are prepared to compete with cheap foreign labour and work for peanuts.

[marton]

	Quote:	Full Circle
	'right workers with the right attitude' = locals who are prepared to compete with cheap foreign labour and work for peanuts.

There is a floor set for all by the UK National Minimum Wage and Living Wage Acts.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	CodPeace
	And what do Labour come up with today, backing Trans rights. Possibly the smallest minority group in the country. There are more ferret fanciers in the UK than trans gender people.

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	How many trans people are there in Britain at the moment? We don’t know. There isn’t an accurate figure for how big the trans community is. That’s because it isn’t asked in the census, and there isn’t any research that’s been done that covers enough people to be statistically significant. The best estimate at the moment is that around 1 per cent of the population might identify as trans, including people who identify as non-binary. That would mean about 600,000 trans and non-binary people in Britain, out of a population of over 60 million.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/truth-a...people-britain

If the figure of 600k is anywhere near accurate, that's double the number of Jewish people in the UK.

[Full Circle]

	Quote:	marton
	There is a floor set for all by the UK National Minimum Wage and Living Wage Acts.

You're more out of touch than I thought if you don't realise that many migrants are exploited in the agricultural sector.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/shocking-...lture-revealed

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	marton
	So far the direction of regulation change is lower...

There’s been no change in regulation so far. I don’t know what you expect me to say to such stories, I don’t see any issue with it. I’ve already said that one is either a free marketeer or not. If one doesn’t like what Google is doing, then there is a choice of other providers. It’s also the same reason why I’m not bothered about hormone beef or chlorinated chicken which works up certain areas of the media. Don’t sweat the small stuff!

I can explain this all day, but I don’t think it would help much. All I would say is this IS the point of Brexit. People don’t need top down rules being made in Brussels on their behalf.

[TonyClifton]

	Quote:	CodPeace
	Tony Blair talking sense. Love him or loathe him, he's absolutely correct. Labour will never win another election unless they ditch the left wing politics and return to the center ground, currently occupied by the Tories. And what do Labour come up with today, backing Trans rights. Possibly the smallest minority group in the country. There are more ferret fanciers in the UK than trans gender people. Way to go Labour, proving once again to the masses that they have lost all connections with real issues. This is why the Tories will rule for 10 years, despite whatever happens with Brexit.

Not only have they lost connection with the real issues, they’ve lost connection with their traditional core voters. Look at their reaction to the Tories immigration plans, they’re siding with employers getting away with scandalously low pay, and it’s the Tories siding with working people. The tables have turned and it’s why the working classes have turned to Boris Johnson.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	Not only have they lost connection with the real issues, they’ve lost connection with their traditional core voters. Look at their reaction to the Tories immigration plans, they’re siding with employers getting away with scandalously low pay, and it’s the Tories siding with working people. The tables have turned and it’s why the working classes have turned to Boris Johnson.

The Tories are siding with low pay or Labour is?

You've connected immigration plans with low pay. Why?

The "working classes" didn't vote as one brain. Plenty of folk who work for a living voted not-Boris. More folk fell for his manipulative lies and cronyism. Anyone who believes he is truly the champion of ALL needs their collective bumps feeling.

What a charmer- wonder if she is on EF?

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...ww&jwsource=cl

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	If the figure of 600k is anywhere near accurate, that's double the number of Jewish people in the UK.

I suspect there are a lot more people that have the right to call themselves Jewish because their mother was born Jewish than do, rather like the no of people who are Irish & only just got a passport.

[Full Circle]

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	What a charmer- wonder if she is on EF? https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...ww&jwsource=cl

Is she wrong though?

	Quote:	Full Circle
	Is she wrong though?

Yes.