The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

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	Yes.

Yes.

Acquaintances have posted links to photos on her facebook page of her attending rallies supporting Tommy Robinson. It's all so predictable

... and it seems a clear 'plant' on the programme, as many in the past with QT.
But she got no support in the crowd- and her rant has actually been received with a lot of criticism even in the right-wing Press. Her racist bile has actually probably done some good- in a way.

[Blueangel]

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	But she got no support in the crowd- and her rant has actually been received with a lot of criticism even in the right-wing Press. ...

The PM has also come in for a fair deal of criticism this week with both the DM and the Express.

[Full Circle]

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	Yes.

She was wrong on the 'close the borders completely' comment but I thought she also raised some valid points.

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	She was wrong on the 'close the borders completely' comment but I thought she also raised some valid points.

Care to elaborate? Which points precisely, please?

[Full Circle]

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	Care to elaborate? Which points precisely, please?

Well she raised questions about the added strain immigration has had on education and the housing shortage.

She also asked the cost for all the translators provided by the NHS; if I was a British taxpayer I also wouldn't be interested in funding this.

And, not specifically mentioned by her, I'm not sure an ever-growing population is really desirable in the climate change era.

	Quote:	Full Circle
	Well she raised questions about the added strain immigration has had on education and the housing shortage. .

Education is being strained mostly by year after year of budget cuts and constant interference by high up folk who apparently don't have much of a clue ; mental health provision is for students is, I'd guess, more of a strain nationally on the education system than immigration is. I don't have any numbers for this before a link is demanded.

The housing shortage is exacerbated by the lack of affordable housing - developers prefer to build big 4/5 bed homes as they make bigger bucks and private landlords can charge huge amounts of rent. Plus, weirdly, most folk like living where the jobs and amenities are. Got a senior town planner in the family.

[3Wishes]

Brexit question: Has anyone heard what the UK plans to do about air passenger rights? For the moment if I transit through the UK on my way to the States, I'm under EU air passenger rights when it comes to delays and cancellations. But CH is not in the EU and the UK won't be, so I'm not sure they'll still apply similar rules when the time comes...

[marton]

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	...... Also regarding the Good Friday Agreement, the withdrawal agreement due to be signed in January will preserve the open border whatever the outcome of trade negotiations. There will be no way this will be used as an excuse to hinder UK-US talks (I don’t actually believe it would have any effect regardless).

You might want to rethink your post?

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	Concern has been raised after Boris Johnson’s Brexit negotiating team has reportedly been ordered to come up with plans to “get around” the Northern Ireland protocol in the withdrawal agreement which includes checks on goods and food going from Great Britain to Northern Ireland. Former Irish ambassador to the EU Bobby McDonagh said; “If UK gov were to renege on its legal obligations under Brexit withdrawal agreement to protect Good Friday agreement it would have many consequences. One would be the end of any prospect of a UK-US trade deal,” he said in a tweet.

Source

Regardless of the next steps, it is clear the Brexit withdrawal agreement is not invulnerable to political machinations.

[Full Circle]

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	Education is being strained mostly by year after year of budget cuts and constant interference by high up folk who apparently don't have much of a clue ; mental health provision is for students is, I'd guess, more of a strain nationally on the education system than immigration is. I don't have any numbers for this before a link is demanded. The housing shortage is exacerbated by the lack of affordable housing - developers prefer to build big 4/5 bed homes as they make bigger bucks and private landlords can charge huge amounts of rent. Plus, weirdly, most folk like living where the jobs and amenities are. Got a senior town planner in the family.

I get it; the education system is already struggling because of budget cuts and the housing shortage is due to a lack of affordable housing.

Yet I still struggle to see how hundreds of thousands of new immigrants coming each year doesn't make the situation worse

Because they are building the new houses, wo/manning our hospitals and care homes, picking our fruit and veg, working in the slaughter houses and cattle sheds, keeping our tourism industry afloat, be it in Hôtels or restaurants, etc, etc. And paying taxes, which should go to provide the necessary housing, NHS and education staff, etc, etc, etc.

Wondering- are you British? Have you lived there, and in a variety of settings, locations?

As for that ranter on Question Time - she has been rumbled - nasty piece of doodoo, for sure, and same for the person in charge of selection audiences for QT- who has a history of 'planting' participants from the far right and giving them pride of place and garanteed extra time:

https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/202...VRVMKQZI0o1qUA

[Full Circle]

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	Because they are building the new houses, wo/manning our hospitals and care homes, picking our fruit and veg, working in the slaughter houses and cattle sheds, keeping our tourism industry afloat, be it in Hôtels or restaurants, etc, etc. And paying taxes, which should go to provide the necessary housing, NHS and education staff, etc, etc, etc.

Keeping wages and living standards down is what they're doing. Some immigrants pay more into the system than they take out, many others don't. Hence the new points-based immigration system.

As I previously said, with all the climate change problems I don't think an ever-growing population is actually desirable anyway.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Brexit question: Has anyone heard what the UK plans to do about air passenger rights? For the moment if I transit through the UK on my way to the States, I'm under EU air passenger rights when it comes to delays and cancellations. But CH is not in the EU and the UK won't be, so I'm not sure they'll still apply similar rules when the time comes...

This article was updated this month and may help you...

Please see Section 2 - Flight delay compensation rules won't change – EU rules have been written into UK law.

If you're on a flight to or from an EU country which – due to the airline's fault – is delayed by more than three hours or your flight is cancelled altogether, under EU rule 261/2004 you're entitled to between £110 and £540 per person in compensation. Full details on this can be found in our Flight Delays guide.

This hasn't changed as a result of Brexit, as EU rules will continue to apply to the UK until the end of the year. But even after that, the Government insists flight delay compensation rules will remain the same, as it's written EU261 into UK law.

We've put various scenarios under which flights would currently be covered under EU261 to the Department for Transport – such as if you flew from the US (a non-EU country) to France (an EU country) on British Airways (a British airline) – and it's adamant that with EU rules copied into UK law you'll still get the same cover you would if the UK had remained in the EU. You can read the small print here.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/fa...-you/#consumer

For full details: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...0190278_en.pdf

	Quote:	Full Circle
	I get it; the education system is already struggling because of budget cuts and the housing shortage is due to a lack of affordable housing. Yet I still struggle to see how hundreds of thousands of new immigrants coming each year doesn't make the situation worse

Because they're not all in need of education - i imagine the percentage of school-age kid isn't that high.

I imagine immigration doesn't help but with net migration figures ... someone will have done the maths I'm sure.

[CodPeace]

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	https://www.stonewall.org.uk/truth-a...people-britain If the figure of 600k is anywhere near accurate, that's double the number of Jewish people in the UK.

More than compensates for the lost semite votes then.

[Blueangel]

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	More than compensates for the lost semite votes then.

It's not an 'either/or' and shouldn't be for any party.

	Quote:	Full Circle
	Keeping wages and living standards down is what they're doing. Some immigrants pay more into the system than they take out, many others don't. Hence the new points-based immigration system. As I previously said, with all the climate change problems I don't think an ever-growing population is actually desirable anyway.

Agree with the laste sentence - population growth is a major issue. But whether they live in the UK or another EU country- makes little difference, does it?

The same comments could certainly apply to Switzerland, and much more so as population is much denser and large parts, be they lake or mountains, are unhabitable. Xborder workers do push salaries down, despite the Law ways around are always found- and so do the presence ot other expats, be they Brits or otherwise.

[Full Circle]

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	Agree with the laste sentence - population growth is a major issue. But whether they live in the UK or another EU country- makes little difference, does it?

Well it does, because overpopulation is linked to a decreased quality of life, so it's obviously not desirable for the UK.

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	The same comments could certainly apply to Switzerland, and much more so as population is much denser and large parts, be they lake or mountains, are unhabitable. Xborder workers do push salaries down, despite the Law ways around are always found- and so do the presence ot other expats, be they Brits or otherwise.

I agree, but Switzerland already has much more sensible immigration policies in place - something the UK seems to be trying to follow the example of.

But the UK is NOT overpopulated - a few pockets are, but the rest of the country is not. From my last house, I could drive east for a couple of hours to the sea and only drive by one larger City. It is not overpopulated, but under funded and under infrastructured.

[NotAllThere]

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	It is not overpopulated, but under funded and under infrastructured.

i.e. badly run.