The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	Full Circle
	It just comes across as a bit selfish to move to a successful non-EU country and bang on about the wonders of the EU.

Hilarious comment. Of the many reasons people have moved to Switzerland, it being out of the EU is one I have never ever encountered.

[TobiasM]

People are still coming in this thread? and arguing that Switzerland is successful and isn’t in the EU, so Britain can do the same too? *face palm*

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Those people had a choice at the general election, Tories won a landslide so it's very clear the majority of Brits who could vote wanted to get BREXIT done.

No it isn't. You are as usual confusing seats with votes. That landslide in seats came from 43.6% of the vote. A long way short of a majority.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	TobiasM
	People are still coming in this thread? and arguing that Switzerland is successful and isn’t in the EU, so Britain can do the same too? *face palm*

Since CH is the most successful country in Europe & being outside the EU & UK has the lowest unemployment in the EU & is doing better than most. Being in the EU is not a precondition of success, it's actually better for smaller countries or poorer countries, Luxembourg being the biggest net winner.

If you like socialism then the EU could be a good choice, the British people seem to prefer capitalism at the moment so voting BREXIT makes sense .

[fatmanfilms]

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	No it isn't. You are as usual confusing seats with votes. That landslide in seats came from 43.6% of the vote. A long way short of a majority.

Still more votes than any other party, when people start playing silly buggers & tactically vote, to keep the Tories out, yet they forgot the majority of people thought the elephant in the room was Corbin not BREXIT, so had no choice to tactically vote Tory, killing 2 birds with 1 stone

[CodPeace]

Maybe worthy of its own thread (mods?)



UK - new immigration rules for post Brexit


'Oz style' points based.


The Tier 2 Migration System uses a points test to qualify applicants. Applicants must score 70 points in order to be successful, as well as meet the normal basic requirements.
The UK skilled immigration test is as follows:

• English language ability (mandatory);
• Available settlement funds (mandatory);
• Qualification;
• Certification of Sponsorship;
• Prospective Earnings.

Visa Bureau

UK Gov
Shortage Occupation List

Looks suitably wooly/adjustable.


I don't even qualify to get back in!

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Still more votes than any other party, when people start playing silly buggers & tactically vote, to keep the Tories out, yet they forgot the majority of people thought the elephant in the room was Corbin not BREXIT, so had no choice to tactically vote Tory, killing 2 birds with 1 stone

So you're disagreeing with your own earlier post?

For those of us who are Swiss, looks likely we will not be able to use our ID cards after 2020. Definite PITA.

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	We may stop accepting EU, EEA and Swiss national ID cards for entry to the UK after 2020. We’ll announce further details, including the date for this change, in advance.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-immi...-the-uk-border

[fatmanfilms]

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	So you're disagreeing with your own earlier post?

It's still a majority as in the highest no of votes, just like the BREXIT vote.

	Quote:	TonyClifton
	The request for sovereignty is not a special request, do you not see that?! It's the basic foundation of any nation state. And yes, damage will be mutually assured. Much of Europe is already tipping on the brink of recession, some countries are more reliant on UK trade than others. A failure to reach a deal will impact trade and cause harm. It's not rocket science!

It's not about what I see. I'm trying to work out what you are actually saying. Your flip flopping is causing whiplash.

Again, you've not answered my question, merely sidestepped it, made a statement that is kind-of-connected but without factual basis and added a mild insult for good measure.

You are a cabinet adviser and I claim my five pounds.

	Quote:	TobiasM
	People are still coming in this thread? and arguing that Switzerland is successful and isn’t in the EU, so Britain can do the same too? *face palm*

Yep. While singing the National Anthem and drinking a cuppa. It's as easy as hiring your cronies to do a job they're patently unfit for.

[Tom1234]

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	For those of us who are Swiss, looks likely we will not be able to use our ID cards after 2020. Definite PITA.

Especially if you've got kids who passports only last 5 years (U.K. passports at least).

	Quote:	Tom1234
	Especially if you've got kids who passports only last 5 years (U.K. passports at least).

Oh hell. I forgot that kids ones only last 5 years!

[Jim2007]

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	For those of us who are Swiss, looks likely we will not be able to use our ID cards after 2020. Definite PITA. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-immi...-the-uk-border

So we'll require UK citizens to apply for Schengen visa in person.... these guys are doing an excellent job of making sure they loose every bit of good will they can.....

Of course with an open border to Ireland under the CTA..... kinda makes them look dumb....

[marton]

	Quote:	CodPeace
	Maybe worthy of its own thread (mods?) UK - new immigration rules for post Brexit 'Oz style' points based. The Tier 2 Migration System uses a points test to qualify applicants. Applicants must score 70 points in order to be successful, as well as meet the normal basic requirements. The UK skilled immigration test is as follows: English language ability (mandatory); Available settlement funds (mandatory); Qualification; Certification of Sponsorship; Prospective Earnings. Visa Bureau UK Gov Shortage Occupation List Looks suitably wooly/adjustable. I don't even qualify to get back in!

So nobody to pick fruit and flowers or work in industries like food processing, hospitality, construction, kitchen work and elderly care or unskilled NHS jobs?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	So nobody to pick fruit and flowers or work in industries like food processing, hospitality, construction, kitchen work and elderly care or unskilled NHS jobs?

Plenty of jobs are on a list that gives you 50 points, many of which don't require a high level of education. Paying more would also fix the problem, capitalism supply & demand, plenty of people might get off their back sides if it paid more than benefits.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Plenty of jobs are on a list that gives you 50 points, many of which don't require a high level of education. Paying more would also fix the problem, capitalism supply & demand, plenty of people might get off their back sides if it paid more than benefits.

If you say so!
In addition to speaking English, migrants need to prove they have a job offer from a known employer with a minimum £25,600 annual salary.
Average NHS porter salary is around £19K, I am sure people would be happy to see NHS and others increasing wages and prices by around a third....

[John William]

	Quote:	marton
	So nobody to pick fruit and flowers or work in industries like food processing, hospitality, construction, kitchen work and elderly care or unskilled NHS jobs?

I thought these jobs were going to be earmarked for the British 'this is beneath me' long term unemployed,
who shame the Governments employment figures ?

[Full Circle]

	Quote:	TobiasM
	Hilarious comment. Of the many reasons people have moved to Switzerland, it being out of the EU is one I have never ever encountered.

Never said they did, I said it seems selfish to talk about how great and necessary the EU is when you have voluntarily moved to a non-EU country.

It's always much easier to talk the talk than it is to walk the walk though.

[CodPeace]

	Quote:	marton
	So nobody to pick fruit and flowers or work in industries like food processing, hospitality, construction, kitchen work and elderly care or unskilled NHS jobs?

Well they have agriculture covered:

"The seasonal agricultural visa pilot scheme will be expanded - recognising the significant reliance this sector has on low-skilled temporary workers."


As for the others, someone is doing those jobs today, someone was doing them 40 years ago, and someone will do them tomorrow. If there is a need, there is a way.
The UK is not going to be drained overnight of EU immigrants, indeed 2 million are apparently trapped in the UK, unable to leave, according to some people here.

Maybe the employers of those people will stop paying minimum wages and up the ante a bit. It's time the UK stopped paying wages that still leaves employees on the breadline or worse dependant on benefits.
Also in the UK, 'full employment' is actually an awful lot of people on part time and claiming tax credits. There is plenty of slack in the system.



Anyway, Brexit = Immigration Controls, and the Tories are implementing what they were voted in to do.

They've obviously looked at the POTUS and his actions after being elected, and saw how popular they were (though obviously less popular on EF).