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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 20.02.2020, 00:30
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Never said they did, I said it seems selfish to talk about how great and necessary the EU is when you have voluntarily moved to a non-EU country.

It's always much easier to talk the talk than it is to walk the walk though.
non-EU country??
Switzerland has FMOP, Schengen, a Free Trade Agreement that abolished import and export duties, a cooperation agreement with Europol, is a member of the European Environment Agency, pays into the EU budget, has equal access to the EU’s education, VET and youth programmes, introduced the “Cassis de Dijon” principle, participates in the European satellite navigation programmes, Galileo and EGNOS, is an equal partner in the EU’s research and EURATOM programmes.
You need a microscope to see any differences to EU countries.
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non-EU country??
Switzerland has FMOP, Schengen, a Free Trade Agreement that abolished import and export duties, a cooperation agreement with Europol, is a member of the European Environment Agency, pays into the EU budget, has equal access to the EU’s education, VET and youth programmes, introduced the “Cassis de Dijon” principle, participates in the European satellite navigation programmes, Galileo and EGNOS, is an equal partner in the EU’s research and EURATOM programmes.
You need a microscope to see any differences to EU countries.
You could look at things like their direct democracy, their neutrality, their own currency and national sovereignty, amongst many others... But it's probably easier to just look at the most glaring difference, the fact that they are not a member of the EU and the people have continually rejected joining. I'm sure even you can see that without your microscope.
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Old 20.02.2020, 09:37
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So nobody to pick fruit and flowers or work in industries like food processing, hospitality, construction, kitchen work and elderly care or unskilled NHS jobs?
Nobody to pick the cotton either
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non-EU country??
Switzerland has FMOP, Schengen, a Free Trade Agreement that abolished import and export duties, a cooperation agreement with Europol, is a member of the European Environment Agency, pays into the EU budget, has equal access to the EU’s education, VET and youth programmes, introduced the “Cassis de Dijon” principle, participates in the European satellite navigation programmes, Galileo and EGNOS, is an equal partner in the EU’s research and EURATOM programmes.
You need a microscope to see any differences to EU countries.
...yeah but it's still, officially speaking, non-EU.
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Old 20.02.2020, 10:13
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Switzerland has FMOP, Schengen, a Free Trade Agreement that abolished import and export duties, a cooperation agreement with Europol, is a member of the European Environment Agency, pays into the EU budget, has equal access to the EU’s education, VET and youth programmes, introduced the “Cassis de Dijon” principle, participates in the European satellite navigation programmes, Galileo and EGNOS, is an equal partner in the EU’s research and EURATOM programmes.
You need a microscope to see any differences to EU countries.
The difference is probably that the country is not in the euro group, more democratic, sovereign and more successful in almost any aspect
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Old 20.02.2020, 10:30
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You could look at things like their direct democracy, their neutrality, their own currency and national sovereignty, amongst many others... But it's probably easier to just look at the most glaring difference, the fact that they are not a member of the EU and the people have continually rejected joining. I'm sure even you can see that without your microscope.
True Switzerland is not an EU member but the point I was making is that in practice there are no real differences
Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Sweden, and formerly the United Kingdom have their own currencies. In the EU there is now direct democracy via the European Citizens' Initiative (ECI) and "national sovereignty" is a jingoistic phrase with no real meaning.
So it turns out you moved here to enjoy the "neutrality"
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Old 20.02.2020, 13:10
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True Switzerland is not an EU member but the point I was making is that in practice there are no real differences
Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Sweden, and formerly the United Kingdom have their own currencies. In the EU there is now direct democracy via the European Citizens' Initiative (ECI) and "national sovereignty" is a jingoistic phrase with no real meaning.
So it turns out you moved here to enjoy the "neutrality"
I suspect that most people moved here to enjoy the non-~20% VAT and non-~45-50% income tax rates, along with the non-€2,000/month salaries.
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Old 20.02.2020, 13:40
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I suspect that most people moved here to enjoy the non-~20% VAT and non-~45-50% income tax rates, along with the non-€2,000/month salaries.
Weirdly, we moved here because my OH watched a tv debate in 2015 about the possibility of an EU referendum when Cameron put it in his election manifesto. He'd always mumbled about returning to Switzerland as he'd lived here before, and got his first phone interview for a new Swiss role on 28 July 2015, just as we arrived at Lotza Studios, Santorini. Second interview was on the Blue Star Delos ferry from Santorini to Piraeus. For my OH, Switzerland had always been about opportunity and low crime, particularly gun crime, but his 2015 move was about the threat of Brexit and all it would entail.
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Plenty of jobs are on a list that gives you 50 points, many of which don't require a high level of education. Paying more would also fix the problem, capitalism supply & demand, plenty of people might get off their back sides if it paid more than benefits.
Need 70 points. Those last 20 can be tricky.



Anecdote alert: my friend, non EU, married to a Brit for 20, three kids, works 36 plus hours a week in a world-renowned hospital, OH working full time, mortgage, ties to the community has just told me she only gets 50 points. She's a graduate from a UK University, part-qualified nurse in the US (qualified to a nursing grade we don't have here as they all lived there for 10 years) but can't yet afford the fees to complete her training here. Her visa is up for renewal at the end of the year.
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Switzerland has FMOP
Hopefully not for much longer.

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Old 20.02.2020, 14:24
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Something that's bugging the crap out of me is that South Africa isn't on the list of countries automatically exempt from sitting an English language test, but the US and many other Commonwealth countries are. Fiji is also missing from the list despite English being an official language there. A country that has a national holiday for Prince Charles' birthday, and has a long history of it's troops serving in the British Army, hasn't made the list. Just for perspective, in 2009, Fiji's population was 851,967. Over 2,000 of them were serving in the British Army.

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I would base the last 20 points on the applicants ability to clean out the Latrines !!
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Since CH is the most successful country in Europe & being outside the EU & UK has the lowest unemployment in the EU & is doing better than most. Being in the EU is not a precondition of success, it's actually better for smaller countries or poorer countries, Luxembourg being the biggest net winner.

If you like socialism then the EU could be a good choice, the British people seem to prefer capitalism at the moment so voting BREXIT makes sense .
Common theme for the successful smaller countries is that they are huge wealth management hubs for the rest of the EU (and where wealth is generated by means of industry, tourism, trade etc.) This can be done to the extend that the real powerhouses of Europe (Germany & France, Italy, Spain, NL to a lesser extend) allow this flow of cash to CH, L or even Cyprus.

No way the UK can replicate this success due to its size (although the Tories will try to do it). Also some regions in the EU perform the same as CH believe it or not but they can do it only if the rest of the country (-ies) allow it.
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I would base the last 20 points on the applicants ability to clean out the Latrines !!
You might but the UK Gov does not.
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I would base the last 20 points on the applicants ability to clean out the Latrines !!
That alone would disqualify my OH
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Minimum tax rates are set by the EU. State aid is also very highly regulated (see how they went after Ireland for their dealings with Apple). Regarding regulations and standards, the idea of not aligning isn’t to lower them, it’s rather to ensure they better match to the requirements of the UK. Why should the EU be seen as the authority on this matter?!
So far the direction of regulation change is lower...
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Tony Blair talking sense.
Love him or loathe him, he's absolutely correct.
Labour will never win another election unless they ditch the left wing politics and return to the center ground, currently occupied by the Tories.


And what do Labour come up with today, backing Trans rights.
Possibly the smallest minority group in the country. There are more ferret fanciers in the UK than trans gender people.

Way to go Labour, proving once again to the masses that they have lost all connections with real issues.


This is why the Tories will rule for 10 years, despite whatever happens with Brexit.
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Finding the right skill sets or rather finding the right workers with the right attitude who consider
'dirty work is not beneath them' these days !!

Video - Local Workers won't do this sort of dirty work
'right workers with the right attitude' = locals who are prepared to compete with cheap foreign labour and work for peanuts.
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'right workers with the right attitude' = locals who are prepared to compete with cheap foreign labour and work for peanuts.
There is a floor set for all by the UK National Minimum Wage and Living Wage Acts.
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