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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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And what do Labour come up with today, backing Trans rights. Possibly the smallest minority group in the country. There are more ferret fanciers in the UK than trans gender people.
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How many trans people are there in Britain at the moment?
We donít know. There isnít an accurate figure for how big the trans community is. Thatís because it isnít asked in the census, and there isnít any research thatís been done that covers enough people to be statistically significant.

The best estimate at the moment is that around 1 per cent of the population might identify as trans, including people who identify as non-binary. That would mean about 600,000 trans and non-binary people in Britain, out of a population of over 60 million.
https://www.stonewall.org.uk/truth-a...people-britain

If the figure of 600k is anywhere near accurate, that's double the number of Jewish people in the UK.
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There is a floor set for all by the UK National Minimum Wage and Living Wage Acts.
You're more out of touch than I thought if you don't realise that many migrants are exploited in the agricultural sector.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/shocking-...lture-revealed
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Old 21.02.2020, 08:24
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So far the direction of regulation change is lower...
Thereís been no change in regulation so far. I donít know what you expect me to say to such stories, I donít see any issue with it. Iíve already said that one is either a free marketeer or not. If one doesnít like what Google is doing, then there is a choice of other providers. Itís also the same reason why Iím not bothered about hormone beef or chlorinated chicken which works up certain areas of the media. Donít sweat the small stuff!

I can explain this all day, but I donít think it would help much. All I would say is this IS the point of Brexit. People donít need top down rules being made in Brussels on their behalf.
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Old 21.02.2020, 12:38
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Tony Blair talking sense.
Love him or loathe him, he's absolutely correct.
Labour will never win another election unless they ditch the left wing politics and return to the center ground, currently occupied by the Tories.


And what do Labour come up with today, backing Trans rights.
Possibly the smallest minority group in the country. There are more ferret fanciers in the UK than trans gender people.

Way to go Labour, proving once again to the masses that they have lost all connections with real issues.


This is why the Tories will rule for 10 years, despite whatever happens with Brexit.
Not only have they lost connection with the real issues, theyíve lost connection with their traditional core voters. Look at their reaction to the Tories immigration plans, theyíre siding with employers getting away with scandalously low pay, and itís the Tories siding with working people. The tables have turned and itís why the working classes have turned to Boris Johnson.
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Old 21.02.2020, 13:13
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Not only have they lost connection with the real issues, theyíve lost connection with their traditional core voters. Look at their reaction to the Tories immigration plans, theyíre siding with employers getting away with scandalously low pay, and itís the Tories siding with working people. The tables have turned and itís why the working classes have turned to Boris Johnson.
The Tories are siding with low pay or Labour is?

You've connected immigration plans with low pay. Why?

The "working classes" didn't vote as one brain. Plenty of folk who work for a living voted not-Boris. More folk fell for his manipulative lies and cronyism. Anyone who believes he is truly the champion of ALL needs their collective bumps feeling.
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What a charmer- wonder if she is on EF?

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...ww&jwsource=cl
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Old 21.02.2020, 15:33
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If the figure of 600k is anywhere near accurate, that's double the number of Jewish people in the UK.
I suspect there are a lot more people that have the right to call themselves Jewish because their mother was born Jewish than do, rather like the no of people who are Irish & only just got a passport.
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Old 21.02.2020, 16:08
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What a charmer- wonder if she is on EF?

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...ww&jwsource=cl
Is she wrong though?
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Is she wrong though?
Yes.
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Old 22.02.2020, 12:48
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Yes.
Yes.

Acquaintances have posted links to photos on her facebook page of her attending rallies supporting Tommy Robinson. It's all so predictable
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... and it seems a clear 'plant' on the programme, as many in the past with QT.
But she got no support in the crowd- and her rant has actually been received with a lot of criticism even in the right-wing Press. Her racist bile has actually probably done some good- in a way.
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But she got no support in the crowd- and her rant has actually been received with a lot of criticism even in the right-wing Press. ...
The PM has also come in for a fair deal of criticism this week with both the DM and the Express.
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Old 22.02.2020, 14:05
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Yes.
She was wrong on the 'close the borders completely' comment but I thought she also raised some valid points.
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She was wrong on the 'close the borders completely' comment but I thought she also raised some valid points.
Care to elaborate? Which points precisely, please?
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Care to elaborate? Which points precisely, please?
Well she raised questions about the added strain immigration has had on education and the housing shortage.

She also asked the cost for all the translators provided by the NHS; if I was a British taxpayer I also wouldn't be interested in funding this.

And, not specifically mentioned by her, I'm not sure an ever-growing population is really desirable in the climate change era.
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Well she raised questions about the added strain immigration has had on education and the housing shortage.
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Education is being strained mostly by year after year of budget cuts and constant interference by high up folk who apparently don't have much of a clue ; mental health provision is for students is, I'd guess, more of a strain nationally on the education system than immigration is. I don't have any numbers for this before a link is demanded.

The housing shortage is exacerbated by the lack of affordable housing - developers prefer to build big 4/5 bed homes as they make bigger bucks and private landlords can charge huge amounts of rent. Plus, weirdly, most folk like living where the jobs and amenities are. Got a senior town planner in the family.
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Brexit question: Has anyone heard what the UK plans to do about air passenger rights? For the moment if I transit through the UK on my way to the States, I'm under EU air passenger rights when it comes to delays and cancellations. But CH is not in the EU and the UK won't be, so I'm not sure they'll still apply similar rules when the time comes...
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Also regarding the Good Friday Agreement, the withdrawal agreement due to be signed in January will preserve the open border whatever the outcome of trade negotiations. There will be no way this will be used as an excuse to hinder UK-US talks (I donít actually believe it would have any effect regardless).
You might want to rethink your post?
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Concern has been raised after Boris Johnsonís Brexit negotiating team has reportedly been ordered to come up with plans to ďget aroundĒ the Northern Ireland protocol in the withdrawal agreement which includes checks on goods and food going from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.

Former Irish ambassador to the EU Bobby McDonagh said; ďIf UK gov were to renege on its legal obligations under Brexit withdrawal agreement to protect Good Friday agreement it would have many consequences. One would be the end of any prospect of a UK-US trade deal,Ē he said in a tweet.
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Regardless of the next steps, it is clear the Brexit withdrawal agreement is not invulnerable to political machinations.
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Education is being strained mostly by year after year of budget cuts and constant interference by high up folk who apparently don't have much of a clue ; mental health provision is for students is, I'd guess, more of a strain nationally on the education system than immigration is. I don't have any numbers for this before a link is demanded.

The housing shortage is exacerbated by the lack of affordable housing - developers prefer to build big 4/5 bed homes as they make bigger bucks and private landlords can charge huge amounts of rent. Plus, weirdly, most folk like living where the jobs and amenities are. Got a senior town planner in the family.
I get it; the education system is already struggling because of budget cuts and the housing shortage is due to a lack of affordable housing.

Yet I still struggle to see how hundreds of thousands of new immigrants coming each year doesn't make the situation worse
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Because they are building the new houses, wo/manning our hospitals and care homes, picking our fruit and veg, working in the slaughter houses and cattle sheds, keeping our tourism industry afloat, be it in HŰtels or restaurants, etc, etc. And paying taxes, which should go to provide the necessary housing, NHS and education staff, etc, etc, etc.

Wondering- are you British? Have you lived there, and in a variety of settings, locations?

As for that ranter on Question Time - she has been rumbled - nasty piece of doodoo, for sure, and same for the person in charge of selection audiences for QT- who has a history of 'planting' participants from the far right and giving them pride of place and garanteed extra time:

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