The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	Kosti
	Uhhh ... yes. And your point is? Are you claiming BoJo is going to ease off on austerity, and rush off to develop Ebbw Vale? Kindness? The EU was responding to necessity, something the Tories have shown no sign of even since Cameron became PM. Is BoJo more leftist than Cameron? Is Farage? And are you lying or just ignorant about being the second biggest contributors?http://www.statista.com/statistics/3...contributions/ Seems like in 2015, even though UK being the second biggest EU economy, made the third largest contribution.

Or perhaps you just need to figure out the meaning of "net". The UK has been the second biggest net contributor to the EU, and I stand by that.

Austerity isn't a major problem in the UK. This is something that the Guardian like to bang on about yet wonder why no one but their readership pays attention.

Slashing business rates and corporation tax in and around Ebbw Vale would do far more for the local economy than EU handouts.

[JagWaugh]

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	Everyone also knows that Einstein was American, not German. He dropped the first atomic bomb on Germany to end the First World War. You're wrong, yet again. Lucas invented the light bulb, which operates on the anti-darkness principle. But he may have invented darkness afterwards so that his light bulb invention would have a real-world application.

You know nothing.


To be scrupulously honest, he didn't invent Darkness, but rather like Watt before him, made great improvements on the previous art.


A deceptively fine filament filled with a special dark smoke which attracts light, causing a temporary build up of photons on the surface. This smoke is represented by the three switch positions: Smoke, Smoulder, Burn.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	CathHarmony
	'93% of immigrants go to England so England is what matters in this context. England is the second most densely populated country in the EU with 417 people per square kilometre, after the Netherlands (with 500 people per square kilometre) and excluding islands such as Malta.'

Why exclude Malta which has over 3,688 population per square mile, It's an island just like the UK.

	Quote:	marton
	All true. If we take Switzerland as an example then we have seen the EU take rapid action against Switzerland even though there was just an internal Swiss referendum and no formal actions by the Swiss Govt.

Quite a few differences, but one big one is that the Swiss government is legally bound to implement the referendum conclusions, whereas the UK vote has no actual legal weight behind it, so could quite easily be ignored by this or a future government of they so decided.

[FrankZappa]

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	Quite a few differences, but one big one is that the Swiss government is legally bound to implement the referendum conclusions, whereas the UK vote has no actual legal weight behind it, so could quite easily be ignored by this or a future government of they so decided.

The political price to pay for ignoring the referendum result would be enormous, starting with the reaction of all the Tory Eurosceptic MPs. Whatever the constitutional niceties, in the hard world of realpolitik, the result is binding.

	Quote:	JagWaugh
	To be scrupulously honest, he didn't invent Darkness, but rather like Watt before him, made great improvements on the previous art.

It's certainly true that Lucas, in his role as Prince of Darkness, played a significant part in ensuring that generations of British motorcyclists had to ride with a pool of his special ultra-darkness in front of their machines.

They even had special three-position Lucas switches: DIM, FLICKER and OFF.

[CathHarmony]

	Quote:	Kosti
	""Ebbw Vale, left devastated when the steelworks closed, has had more European money poured into it than perhaps any other small town in Britain. But according to the figures Kelly heard, “we get out £7m a year from the EU and we put in £19m”. Anyway, he says, “it was time for a change”. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...vale?CMP=fb_gu Yep, change is coming. Though it sounds like the EU cared more about them than the Tories or Labor ever did. Tip for the EU: Instead of railway lines or training colleges, insist on money being used for basic math and statistics education.

How do these eu projects get started?

I'm guessing at the request of the government or the the very least the tacit agreement of the government. The EU doesnt just come in willy nilly, they work with the governments on renewal projects.

Its just as likely that if we hadnt been in the eu, the government would have put money in that area, maybe even more money without the excessive immigration pressures.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	CathHarmony
	How do these eu projects get started? I'm guessing at the request of the government or the the very least the tacit agreement of the government. The EU doesnt just come in willy nilly, they work with the governments on renewal projects. Its just as likely that if we hadnt been in the eu, the government would have put money in that area, maybe even more money without the excessive immigration pressures.

unless its a tory government and its a labour area, then they are SOL (or vice versa)

[spalebärg]

	Quote:	JagWaugh
	You know nothing. To be scrupulously honest, he didn't invent Darkness, but rather like Watt before him, made great improvements on the previous art. A deceptively fine filament filled with a special dark smoke which attracts light, causing a temporary build up of photons on the surface. This smoke is represented by the three switch positions: Smoke, Smoulder, Burn.

One of the greatest inventions for saving on the amount of light being consumed was the invention of sunglasses.
Does anyone know who invented them? I don't know but presume it was an American?

[idefix]

	Quote:	spalebärg
	One of the greatest inventions for saving on the amount of light being consumed was the invention of sunglasses. Does anyone know who invented them? I don't know but presume it was an American?

I think it was jimmy savile

	Quote:	spalebärg
	One of the greatest inventions for saving on the amount of light being consumed was the invention of sunglasses. Does anyone know who invented them? I don't know but presume it was an American?

Mr Foster of Foster Grant fame. Does that company still exist?

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Kosti
	CH did take formal action to not allow Croatians in as part of FMoP. The EU responded to that. There is no treating good or bad. Nations have trade interests and back them up with the leverage and power they can muster. The UK will find out how much leverage it has soon enough.

Erasmus+ for CH, or should I say its funding, was on uncertain footing even in 2013:
In autumn 2013 the parliament had agreed to 300mln funding for Erasmus+ for the period of 2014-2020. Negotiations didn't start until december, when it became clear that EU demands were a multiple of that as a consequence of the demand to switch from fixed-price to percentage of GDP (gross domestic product), resulting in total costs of more than 500mln CHF.

Bundesrat Schneider-Ammann saw no need to inform parliament or public about that, the public wasn't told until after the MEI-vote.

	Quote:	spalebärg
	One of the greatest inventions for saving on the amount of light being consumed was the invention of sunglasses. Does anyone know who invented them? I don't know but presume it was an American?

Again, so much ignorance on this forum. I despair at the state of British education, and rejoice that it will soon be quarantined from the whole of the rest of the world.

Obviously, Sunglasses were invented by the esteemed Japanese scholar Sun Tzu as a means to prevent the enemy (the Italian forces in North Africa, under the stewardship of Rommel) from seeing their eyes and thereby working out where the next cannonball would be fired.

That's another thing that Everybody knows.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	JagWaugh
	I am not against educational programs. I am against entitlement.

From what I know Erasmus is seen as a huge opportunity not an entitlement (and students do work hard for it). Defo one of the best things lately.

[Kosti]

	Quote:	CathHarmony
	Its just as likely that if we hadnt been in the eu, the government would have put money in that area,

Well, check back in a few years and find out.

I think it would require a more left version of Labour to get elected, let alone the Tories, but who knows.

	Quote:	CathHarmony
	maybe even more money without the excessive immigration pressures.

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...immigration-uk
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-arti...EU-immigration

Immigrants, especially from the EU contribute positively in taxes they pay vs benefits they take. So not clear on how leaving the EU will free up more money.

And Ebbw Vale doesnt have very many migrants ...

[lewton]

	Quote:	Kosti
	Well, check back in a few years and find out. I think it would require a more left version of Labour to get elected, let alone the Tories, but who knows. http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...immigration-uk https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-arti...EU-immigration Immigrants, especially from the EU contribute positively in taxes they pay vs benefits they take. So not clear on how leaving the EU will free up more money. And Ebbw Vale doesnt have very many migrants ...

They were planning to keep only the ones who are contributing more than they are receiving.

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	greenmount
	From what I know Erasmus is seen as a huge opportunity not an entitlement (and students do work hard for it). Defo one of the best things lately.

I have no problem with Erasmus. I mentioned entitlement in an entirely different context.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	JagWaugh
	I have no problem with Erasmus. I mentioned entitlement in an entirely different context.

Yeah. And I see why, tbh. On the other hand, I want kids to demand Erasmus stays, and not for financial reasons, to simply flee the highest UK tuition fees on the planet. But to get quality for themselves. If they do that that means school taught them well and they aren't afraid to pick up and go, which at 18/19 isn't so frequent these days. As opposed to be discouraged from further edu at home (costs too much now) and be told they have no work due to parasitical foreigners (not true). They got pawned over and if anyone says "a ha, why haven't they voted", yeah. Kids. Like they all care or understand..it is symptomatic. Loads of grown ups voted and have very mixed feelings now about correctly understanding.

Erasmus is such a success these days, I am sure it will be moved to highschools later on. I hope so, if it is secure and legislature allows.

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	Yeah. And I see why, tbh. On the other hand, I want kids to demand Erasmus stays, and not for financial reasons, to simply flee the highest UK tuition fees on the planet.

MusicChick,


Take pity on an old man and explain what you mean by "highest UK tuition fees on the planet". As far as I know, UK tuition fees are limited to the UK, so although those UK fees are the highest UK fees on the planet, they are also the lowest (not to mention the median, the mean, the exception and the rule).



(sometimes I really regret my decision to eschew smilies)

[MusicChick]

Old man, just read the OECD report somewhere higher up, I posted a link to The Guardian quoting it. Smilies are for lazy communicators, A+ on that! I see smilies where people intent them, no worries.

It does seem that the UK students have gone out of their ways to use foreign programs, to avoid what their gov imposed on them recently. Good for them! But will learn the hard way that not voting or not trying to understand the consequences of the latest referendum will put a dent in their students loans. I know the percentage of the young people actually going for tertiary edu isn't representative of all. But now even if they wanted to and were willing to get around the tuition, it seems they will not be able to. People in Europe will learn English elsewhere, and maybe the programs in the US/Ca/Aus might get now facilitated.

I think the biggest obstacle in having a better quality life in the UK isn't the EU.